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Alcohol and PMO
« on: January 04, 2016, 05:02:04 AM »
Hi guys,

I noticed that i usually relapse 9 out of 10 times on the day following a binge drinking, like lately for the new year. Which obviously lead me to not only considering, but simply quit on alcohol for at least 4 or 5 weeks and enhance my chance of not relapsing, since i usually struggle past 1 week of no PMO.

Question is, am i the only one ? Have you ever experienced such a thing, PMO the day after drinking ? Kinda strange that in such situation i feel so horny while i should "normally" feel the opposite.
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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2016, 07:31:38 AM »
Hey man, I haven't been drinking heavily for a while now, so i can't really remember if drinking affects the PMO. Also, I am not a native english speaker so could you please explain what does 'binge' drinking mean?

My guess about this whole thing is that being drunk lowers impulse control, so one can cave in to PMO impulses while drunk, but I don't know if this can be applied to the day after the night of  drinking(maybe if the alcohol is still in the system).

I know it's maybe not the answer you were looking for, but maybe i have provided enough of an answer to raise some questions/make some new connections (just food for thought).

Cheers!

PMO counter applies to MO too.

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2016, 06:48:19 PM »
so what you saying is that you usually dont go over a week without binge drinking. thats a problem in itself. definitely go for alcoholic reboot too.

recently i came across a guy who also relapse after getting drunk. if that is not you, then you are not alone  8) for sure you are not alone. dont ever feel alone in any problem, always know for a fact that someone is experiencing it too and someone else went through it.
My last relapse: 10. Sep. 2019
My total relapses in the last 30 days: 7

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2016, 10:24:43 PM »
Hey man, I haven't been drinking heavily for a while now, so i can't really remember if drinking affects the PMO. Also, I am not a native english speaker so could you please explain what does 'binge' drinking mean?


You should'nt over apologize (as i noticed) for your english, you're english is more than fine, maybe better than mine as i'm not a native speaker either, and we're not the only ones  ;)

Binge drinking, or binge masturbating, eating.....etc is related to doing something compulsively, excessively

so what you saying is that you usually dont go over a week without binge drinking. thats a problem in itself. definitely go for alcoholic reboot too.

recently i came across a guy who also relapse after getting drunk. if that is not you, then you are not alone  8) for sure you are not alone. dont ever feel alone in any problem, always know for a fact that someone is experiencing it too and someone else went through it.

Well close as i said "Usually" after 1 week, but you're definitely right, it's an issue that i should adress, even more since it seems to be related to my PMO or Dopamine addiction.

I've read some material about the power of Habits (namely a book forgot the name of the author) and alcohol seem to be a cue part of my routine leading to PMO. I checked on google, and some guys seem to have an arousal or feel horny the day after drinking, i was wondering if it is common here, not so much, but it doesn't matter actually, it is apparently a problem and therefore should be fixed in my case. Thanks for the words of encouragement  :)
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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 05:34:49 PM »
Hangovers for me equal relapse.

After a night of binge drinking we end up with low serotonin, low serotonin makes a person compulsive.

So we end up depressed, compulsive and were porn addicts, there's only one outcome really PMO, then we feel shit and the cycle continues n

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 09:17:38 AM »
Hangovers for me equal relapse.

After a night of binge drinking we end up with low serotonin, low serotonin makes a person compulsive.

So we end up depressed, compulsive and were porn addicts, there's only one outcome really PMO, then we feel shit and the cycle continues n

Very interesting...

I relapsed today again, following the same pattern again and again, hangover today.

Again this alcohol comsumption seem to be a key point in my relapses...

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 01:10:41 PM »
I too noticed a connection between drinking and relapsing in the past, however, for me it was mostly coming home drunk and relapsing before going to sleep.
I have been reducing my alcohol consumption now, especially if I am going to be home alone that night.

In that light I also tried going out without drinking, it's worth a try, too, by the way. ;) More fun than one might think.

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 01:36:15 PM »
Hi guys,

I noticed that i usually relapse 9 out of 10 times on the day following a binge drinking, like lately for the new year. Which obviously lead me to not only considering, but simply quit on alcohol for at least 4 or 5 weeks and enhance my chance of not relapsing, since i usually struggle past 1 week of no PMO.

Question is, am i the only one ? Have you ever experienced such a thing, PMO the day after drinking ? Kinda strange that in such situation i feel so horny while i should "normally" feel the opposite.

Same here. Got very drunk last week and after hangover passed I noticed I was very horny and my hand just went for it automatically. I came in like 8 seconds. My dick didnt even get fully erect. I think I should really reduce drinking cause it breaks my determination to stop PMO.

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 03:27:24 PM »
I definitely noticed this connection as well. Whenever I was hungover, I would use porn.

Last year I gave up drinking. I've been sober just over a year through AA. That, in itself, did not curtail by porn addiction. It might even have increased a bit due to addition transference.

This year the goal is to give up porn.

Best of luck to everyone in their journey of recovery. If AA has taught me anything, it's to be gentle with yourself and take it one day at a time.

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2016, 07:37:52 PM »
Day 24 of No Porn and its been 2 days serious drinking behind, i slept 17 hours and now i fapped. I didnt look porn or nothing just pure sensation and it was great! I don't feel guilt and i am gonna keep porn away from life forever. And now i just need to figure when i can allow myself to fap.

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2016, 08:22:55 PM »
Day 24 of No Porn and its been 2 days serious drinking behind, i slept 17 hours and now i fapped. I didnt look porn or nothing just pure sensation and it was great! I don't feel guilt and i am gonna keep porn away from life forever. And now i just need to figure when i can allow myself to fap.
24 days is pretty early for reintroduction of MO. i made ugly mistake with MO and im not gonna do it again until im fully recovered (i hope not even then). you probably feel great now as you got your dopamine hit (without relapsing), but in the next day or two... report back what is going on. more precisely if you have MO or PMO cravings and if its easy to deal with them.

good luck
My last relapse: 10. Sep. 2019
My total relapses in the last 30 days: 7

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2016, 11:33:13 PM »
The morning after drinking often led to 1 or more PMOs for me. Usually I would get up before the wife and work on some "me time" with my favorite porn.  Definitely felt the effects of low serotonin and reduced impulse control.  During my reboot I am also taking a break from any drinking to help fight temptation.

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 09:50:11 AM »
I have this exact same problem and have spoken quite a lot about it in my journal entries. I feel like I would have kicked this addiction years ago without alcohol in my life as being drunk/hungover are the only times I PMO. I too have decided to stay away from alcohol for as long as possible but even when I decide to go out again I need to take drastic measures like lock my phone and laptop away somewhere that I'll find them difficult to get too when dying from a hangover aha good luck mate and keep going but make sure you do something about the drinking because even 4 months down the line of your re-boot, alcohol has its own way of dragging you straight back down the PMO path!

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 01:24:19 PM »
@Numez

I dont know how to describe my feeling now.

MO Definetly woke up my libido pretty good and have felt urges to M but i deny them because i wanna reduce amount on masturbating in my life (No urges for P btw)

Feeling very deep feelings about this one girl, and i greatly fear she doesn't like me anymore.

When i stopped P and MO the feelings were not as "deep" but very stormy, unstable and i cried then alot. Now i just feel like depressed and pessimistic piece of shit  ;D

Last nightshift i only thought about this girl and my goddamn life where i have accomplished anything!BEFORE i had this (watched porn etc) i found my friends and many others life much better and cooler and the same feelings i have now. Now i think they have pretty shit and meaningless lifes too. I am deeply planning again to join Foreign Legion or do atleast something! Now i am saving monies for vacation before i enlist or...do something...

So here is what happened after MO, too much info i guess. ;)

And i dont know are these now real feelings or caused by MO. I mostly think this desperation is caused because i have after weekends drinking slept every day over 12h coma sleep, almost no or very shitty diet and no excesise, so soon i will be back lifting and boxing and i think it will help alot!

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 01:49:32 PM »
@maik

please dont give in to MO urges. it will turn into PMO cravings and since you allowed yourself MO, adding P will be too tempting. you may start with just fantasy during MO, but even that is counted as relapse.

be aware that those urges are not normal brain activity. who have strong urges to MO more than once per week except porn addicts? if you experience urges, i would like to suggest you to cut off MO completely to get rid yourself of additional temptations, reduce chance of relapse, feel better and recover faster.

MO can easily cause you to feel like shit after few days. i feel horrible the day after wet dream. something about Oing in early stages of reboot is not clicking very well with me but im glad at least not to have urges.

good luck, stay smart and enjoy your reboot as possible
My last relapse: 10. Sep. 2019
My total relapses in the last 30 days: 7

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2016, 02:11:52 PM »
@Numez yeah i wont MO or watch P. But  be aware that those urges are not normal brain activity. who have strong urges to MO more than once per week except porn addicts? This part?! I guess every healthy male has urges to MO more than once a week if there is no women available (and you are not porn addict)

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2016, 02:25:24 PM »
i was talking about strong urges where you feel like you must to. thats not normal right? urges that you are experiencing and reason why you plan to stop MO even though you dont have urge to PMO yet.
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My last relapse: 10. Sep. 2019
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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2016, 09:03:01 PM »
Very interesting. It seems that alcohol is part of pattern that is draging us inevitably to relapse, at least for some of us. I'm even more convinced now, that going cold turkey, at least for myself includes also no drinking, at least no binge drinkings.

It leads currently to stop, totaly not even casually, as sometimes planing for a couple of beers can leads to go like crazy for a full night with a dozen. I usually have no trouble not drinking for some time, my main struggle is when i start.

Anyway interesting enough to dig a bit more into it, i'll keep you posted on this thread as i'm on a run, free of alcohol and see how much of major trigger it is in my case.


It would also be interesting to hear for the much more experiemented guys like William or Gabe if they have any sort of documentation or experiences about this ?

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2016, 09:25:34 PM »
Well the positive to take from this is that you found a trigger. For you, alcohol consumption causes relapse. You are certainly not alone in this. Knowing that is huge. Now, to take action. If you are serious about rebooting, then removing all triggers should be your goal, including alcohol consumption. Alcohol is a depressant. Sure it may make us feel happy for a short period, but in the long run it just makes us feel worse. Then we are hungover, and can't do anything...boom boredom. Another common trigger. Now I'm bored and sad, and I need something that will make me feel better. A cocaine addict will go get more cocaine, an alcoholic will go get more alcohol, a porn addict will view more porn, thinking that it'll cure everything and they'll feel great again. Then again, momentary happiness, and then back to feeling depressed because you just relapsed. It is a viscous circle that is hard to get out of.

That being said, it CAN be done, once you come to understand how this endless cycle is working. You can plan for and eliminate those triggers. Removing alcohol. For some it's avoiding Facebook, or Youtube. Knowledge is power. The more you know and understand about what triggers a relapse the more powerful you are.

You can do this.


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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2016, 11:01:23 PM »
Alcohol will usually impair our judgement which inevitably will often result in encouraging us to drop our guard when were trying to put up a resistance to PMO. I recently read this article about this guy who didn't drink for 2 years and received many benefits from abstaining from alcohol during that time, it reminded me of the success stories I read about from individuals who have overcome PMO addiction.
I'm not saying you should stop drinking but if you have become aware (which is great awareness is half the battle) that alcohol is often related to you PMOing then you may want to try limiting your intake. I have posted the article below my message for you to have a look at it.

http://www.today.com/health/what-i-learned-not-drinking-alcohol-two-years-t65651

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Re: Relapsing on hangover days ?
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2016, 11:40:38 PM »
Thanks a lot guys. It it definitely a trigger for me but more precisely during hangover, not when I'm highly intoxicatedby it. Then like I said, I am keeping myself away from it at the moment, I'll go at least for 30 days and see how much it is related to me potentially relapsing.

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Re: Alcohol and PMO
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2016, 06:57:02 AM »
HI guys,


Today it's 14 days since my last PMO session, or even P, or M or O at all. I also haven't had a drink in 13 days.


I'm just getting back from the gym, and i feel a crazy urge not for PMO but to have some beers. Things is i realise how much it can trigger me on relapses. Like i said, usually, 9 out of 10 times (or maybe be a bit less it depends) i end up relapsing the day after drinking, and by drinking i mean relatively heavy, i usually go for a dozen beers.

Since i don't wanna screw this up, i decided to dig deeper into this issue, and i found the following articles, if you feel concerned i invite you to have a look at them :

http://www.hamsnetwork.org/dopamine.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2013/apr/19/beer-dopamine-brain-scans


I know it's a no brainer. But i'm wondering, does it explain some kind of a chaser effect like for porn, the fact of drinking which just like for porn releases dopamine in the area of the reward pathway of the brain, make us crave a porn session afterward ?

I mean not only for porn, considering to what we are addicted or developped a habit to, we can replace here alcohol by drugs, or video games, junk food etc...

What do you think ? I'm no scientist, and don't pretend to be, but i feel there some kind of correlation.

To sum it up, is it HIGHLY essential when we are rebooting, to absolutely make sure that we stop any other addictive behaviour in order to reboot the right way ? Hardmode ? Let me be clear again, since most of us (Safely said) are Dopamine addicts which a lot here seem unfortunately to not realise yet, are we technically relapsing and therefore making our road to recovery longer when we get a high through one of our other addictions out of porn ?

Brothers, i hope i'm clear enough, looking forward to your answers  :)
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Re: Alcohol and PMO
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2016, 09:31:46 AM »
Hey hi!

I have read your post and I was actually questioning the same things for quite some time before. I have this habit to go for a drink, usually that ends in a few liters of beers, with some friends after work. Besides the fact that I put on weight quite a lot and I removed from my life for a while sports and outdoor activities, I also started to binge smoke at the same time than drinking. I can stand the drinks, but I really couldn't stand the smoking as I don't like to smoke in general. However, I cannot (or really hardly) stop myself from smoking a pack in a night when I drink. So I started to tell myself and my friends that I would stop drinking for a few weeks to lose my weight. In fact, what I would not tell them is also that each time that I drink and I get drunk, I lose complete sense of the important things and I smoke a lot on that night and when I come back home or the next day when I feel shit, I PMO, sometime quite a lot then.
So my conclusion to your question is, for me, not to challenge myself with the drinking because I will completely forget what I think is best for me and I will lose myself again and smoke and PMO. I think it is safer like that and even though I am not to sure the brain connections involved, it is clear to me that those moments are cues to my smoking and PMO. Plus, I know that drinking, many times, has the same effect than depression in the body (even if you are not hangover and just excited by the night out). And those are clearly the major reason (depression, boredom, pain, etc.) for PMO again.
I guess, I would not care too much if I were in a relationship with a healthy lifestyle and sex. So to me, it's not that alcohol is not good for me or in my life for ever, but at this moment of recovery, it is clearly a big cue for giving in to the bad things in my life and a wall between me and the changes I want to make.

Cheers!
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