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« on: March 12, 2020, 02:53:39 AM »
I woke up this morning with a headache but it's good as I know I have it as I am on my second full day without P and M. As I write, my groin area (!) is really aching and I am desperate to M but I know I have to resist.  I cannot continue living this way anymore.


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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2020, 09:28:23 AM »
I am sorry if I do not write much at any one time - in fact, I was not going to write anything as I may not be as eloquent as others on here - but then I suppose it is not about that is it?

Maybe than write long posts I will keep it short?  A little about me. I will be 49 in a few week's time. I have been married to a wonderful woman for this year 27 years and we have two teenage children. I am from England but for the past 13 years have lived overseas.

As I write it is nearly 11.30pm and have managed another day without PM....I still have a slight headache but a price worth paying. More tomorrow.

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2020, 07:21:48 PM »
Into the morning of Day 3 and I feel desperate to M.  In the night I found my mind fantasising about people I know and I think some images from porn I have watched also appeared out of nowhere.

My family are out of the house and usually, by now I would on the bed and watching porn or just lately chatting to people on the search for files to be sent to me of extreme stuff.  It is seeing and experiencing just what now it takes to 'get me off' that has made me determined to stop - I am not that person - I am not like them. I am good, I am kind, I have a beautiful wife and family. I will not do this to them.

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2020, 09:22:52 AM »
The end then of another day without giving in to MP. My headache has still not gone away. I have had a few attempts before of giving it up but this is the first time that I have experienced physical side effects or withdrawal symptoms - I would be interested to know if anyone else has had this too?  I think I am feeling this way as I have been on holiday from work from the past two weeks and have been spending practically all the daylight hours (while my wife has been at work) with MP and now I have suddenly stopped.

I have been enjoying the extra time that not being shackled to MP has given me.  I have taken the dog out, read, listened to podcasts, caught up with sporting events I wanted to watch, been to the dentist and opticians - all things that I wouldn't have done if I was doing the MP.  It is also a great relief not to worry when my wife wants to borrow my phone to play Candy Crush that she will find anything I have forgotten to properly close down or delete.

Off now to take some more paracetamol!

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2020, 01:33:08 AM »
Is this Day 4 or 5.....am I not sure but suppose it really does not matter as it's another day that I am determined to remain PM free....I must be getting desperate though as whilst out shopping today I even felt getting aroused by lingerie-clad mannequins!

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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2020, 08:55:48 PM »
Sunday morning and I just had to jump on here and write something.  I am so frustrated!  Please forgive my ramblings and any triggers below.

It's difficult to write these things but if I am to get anything sexual with my wife it tends to be on a Saturday night - except on most occasions I end up disappointed and very frustrated!

Sadly my wife has had blood cancer twice, as you can you imagine it was a very difficult time for her, our two children -who were very young at the time - and myself.  She would not be here today without the generosity of a then-unknown donor who provided his stell cells for a transplant 8 years ago.  The intense chemo and radiotherapy took its toll and one of the consequences was the onset of an early menopause.  Our sex lives had never been brilliant before then but now they are practically non-existent. She says she has no interest in it and will not let me do anything to 'please' her.  Penetrative sex is too painful for her, so if a get anything it is either a quick handjob or if I am lucky I will get oral.  However, it is all, sadly done as chore to keep me happy :(

My wife is such a kind, generous and caring person and a fantastic mother to our children.  She teaches full time and is held in high regard by her students, parents and colleagues alike.  She has total dedication to her job and this often leads to many late nights and much tiredness.

I do not like saying this but quite a lot of the reasons for my PA was due to lack of sex with my wife.  Believe me, I would rather be having her sex with her rather than sex with my hand and pixels on my phone screen.  I have never had problems with ED or PE.

There is one thing that I know makes things worse and that is I used to enjoy 'edging' to porn.  I would watch porn for hours and hours and would M but would never O.  I would save the 'O' until that magical day when my wife might 'give me' something.  This constant building up but never releasing would of course have its consequences and I would feel very irritated and often angry around my wife and family.

I sometimes think it would have simply been better just to PMO and get it over with each day rather than waiting for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow each Saturday night.

Some men may have left my wife due to the lack of sex but I will not do this as I love her and my children too much.  I suppose I am hoping for some sort of miracle that her sex drive might increase but in reality that is not going to happen.  Should I therefore just go back to PMO - maybe it's easier than constantly feeling dejected and rejected each Sunday morning?

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2020, 09:24:25 PM »
It wouldn't make sense to go back to PMO at this stage.  Keep doing what you are doing for awhile and then make another determination after you have given it a fair shot.  You are doing pretty decently already and you have a lot to fight for, including a jewel of a wife; you are blessed my friend.  Keep going!     

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2020, 12:46:40 AM »
Thanks Jixu....yep I will try and keep going.  Yes, you are right I am blessed with my wife and family and have a lot to fight for.  The funny thing is my wife knows I watch porn - she has even talked about me watching it to my 18 year old daughter - much to my embarrassment.  She says it is just something 'men need'!  What a husband needs though is to have sex or with his wife, if that happened IMO I wouldn't need the p!  If my porn tastes hadn't become so extreme maybe I wouldn't be here -it is that that has frightened me about myself.

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2020, 07:59:05 AM »
I agree with Jixu

             Much is discussed  on the topic of if ones wife is too blame  for a man's porn use .  It might be hard to explain  but your porn use may be a symptom of an ailment  of  your wife....   Her inability to have sexy with you.....  This is in no way blaming her  but it is what it is.  Like you say  many men may have left her  by now..  I have gone through periods in my marraige  where my wife couldnt or rather wouldnt make time for us to hop in the sack. And yes indeed it was very frustrating.   When we were 1st married  she was into sex all the time   as the years went by the frequency started to drop and I found myself frustrated over having to initiate  and eventually feeling like I was pushing her into it  even though she said I wasnt.  I could never get an explanation why I always had to initiate.  It almost felt like a power struggle or a control  issue(funny how she has admitted to haveing control issues as well as many members of her family)  It was during this time my porn use would escalate some.  I will say things are better these days as I have spoken to her about other issues in our marraige/homelife   ie  our inability to be  organized  which would cause  inefficiencies in time energy  finances  exc.  It ws through these discussions that things began to change(basically told her I can do wiothout the sex  but if  we dont get things organized around here  things would someday fall apart.   For some reason things  started to slowely change.  As she changed I used it as an incentive to really push myself hard   and things have never been better  I know this was a bit of a rant.  Perhaps  but its just a bit of insight on my story and what had helped me greatly as well as our relationship

    I suggest you continue moving forward   Porn may have caused you to lose some of yourelf that your wife loved you for and you may regain those  things and your wife may see that and things may change  Tell yourself for the next several months that anything is possible in the future.  You have nothing to lose.

    cheers

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2020, 10:35:22 PM »
Thanks Joe.  Yes, I do not blame my wife she obviously couldn't help getting cancer!  But I do think she could at least make a little more effort and prioritize some 'us' time more. As I have mentioned she is a teacher and because of COVID19 she is forced to do online teaching, as a result she is marking sent in work until 1-2 in the morning! Again perhaps not her fault but she seems to always choose that over spending time with me.  Still I would normally use that time waiting for her to come to bed watching porn and edging but now I am replacing that with reading or looking at other stuff online.

Yes , I get the being more organised idea as with our jobs and family it is very difficult - yet even when we have time off or go on holiday with no pressures she still would rather not have sex :(

Ah well Day 6 PM free has begun.........

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2020, 08:27:40 AM »
At the end of Day 6 with no PM.  Being back at work, of course, took temptation out of my way for most of the day.  However, by now I would have normally got some edging in.  My wife is out taking the dog for a walk and in the past I would now be in the bedroom doing you know what! Another little success to chalk up.  Looking forward to completing my first porn free week tomorrow -it's not easy however but you know that.

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2020, 09:29:20 AM »
Awesome-well done! Hit that first week and keep moving on !

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2020, 04:31:55 AM »
Hi Richard,

I sympathise with your situation entirely, and understand your predicament.

Whilst the cause of the situation I have been struggling with is different, the impact it had on me, and the way I was feeling is exactly the same.

During the last 5 years my wife has been struggling with bereavement following the passing of her mother, and more recently she has also started the menopause.

The bereavement kick started a period of depression and the menopause then caused a whole mixed bag of physical and mental struggles for both of us that still sporadically continue.  I have recorded a recent example in my journal.  Sex was out of the question.

My wife did end up going for counselling, which has helped enormously.  Initially she went on her own, we then attended a couple of sessions together, and then I ended up going to some sessions on my own.

At a the time when I was feeling low, frustrated, and the Counsellor went through the options that were available to me.  In hindsight I realise that the Counsellor's approach was very frank and stark, with the aim of encouraging me to work through the options, and to make the "sensible" choice.

I have included all the options below which might help find a solution?

Option 1 - Give Up on the Relationship

Unfortunately, as you mentioned, a lot of men would walk away from a similar situation, but this option is a lose / lose outcome.  There would be no winners.  To emphasise now, I do not advocate this option.  It was only suggested to me for completeness, and you have already eliminated it ;)

Option 2 - Do Nothing Different

This option is to simply to do nothing, wait, and hope that the situation improves.

I was frantically PMO'ing in response to the stress and the lack of intimacy, which led to a feeling of resentment towards my wife.  I interpreted that her attitude was ˝if she couldn't / didn't want sex, then why should I?"

Waiting and hoping for her to miraculously change was causing more stress … more resentment … more PMO'ing … and so the vicious circle continued.

Option 3 - Look After My Own Wellbeing / Be Positive / Make a Change

Whilst waiting for a change, this options was all about me taking responsibility for my own wellbeing.  It is also the option that stood the best chance of resulting in a change.  Giving up porn, and feeling better for it, is helping me tremendously.

Whilst it was also humiliating when my wife preferred to do other things, instead of spending time with me, I had to accept that it was her prerogative.

Instead, the Counsellor suggested that I shared my feelings with my wife, so as to keep her in the loop, but to channel my energy and emotions into doing something that I wanted to do … perhaps rekindle a previous interest, or start a new hobby?

The Counsellor emphasised that it wasn't about revenge, or being selfish.  It was about me being assertive, and looking after my needs, whilst continuing to support my wife.

I had a "mid-life crisis" and started motorcycling again after a break of 20 years.

By looking after my own wellbeing, and getting on with my life, it became easier to cope with the situation I was in, and that in turn indirectly encouraged my wife to start facing upto her difficulties.  She started to feel "left out" as life around her was moving on, whilst her life remained stationary.  Surprisingly, my wife asked me if she ride pillion.  It was a major turning point to improving our relationship.  We started spending time together, initially not sexually … but when intimacy did find it's way back into the relationship it didn't meet my expectations, and my porn addiction relapsed.

The intimacy wasn't like it was in the films I'd been watching … it wasn't even like the sex we used to enjoy … and I didn't adjust to the changing circumstances.  Whilst penetrative sex was to ambitious at that time, the feeling of love, and that my wife wanted to please me as best as she could should have been sufficient for me.

My advice to you is to chose a hobby or interest to hold your focus while continuing your reboot, and that your wife could participate with you at a later date.  Your wife won't be able to keep doing online teaching until the early hours of the morning forever, and if you could rekindle the fun you had when you first started dating … one thing might lead to another?

I messed up my marriage, and I now appreciate that I am lucky that I still have a wife, and sincerely hope that someone else can learn from the mistakes I made.

Good Luck.  I hope this helps.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2020, 06:39:09 AM by Simonly »

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2020, 08:40:25 AM »
Whooww  Simonly  excellent post   I read your option number 3  a few time and really noticed that its is almost percisely  what I had chosen to do (without a councellor telling me to)  I just noticed when I took control of my own destiny  that my wife seemed to not want to be "left out" also   A person with a control issue can only have that control if she has someone to control.   After I took that away from her she had to change her way to keep up
  Richard  this is seriously  something you could look at too.  it might really apply to you   Find a hobby  n or an interest  get working on it  as it will take energies away from porn  helping in your fight  and next time she takes the dog for a walk  go with her (again taking away the ability to go to porn) and this will give you an oppertunity to chat about your new found interest.

    as a sidenote  how much does your wife know about your porn addiction?   Mine has no idea i was addicted to it.  She knows I used to surf a little  porn  and that I am   "not bothering with it anymore"     I dont plan to ever tell her about it as I was raised by my father to   own your own problems and deal with them and fix them   its ingrained into me and thats the way it is    but depending how much your wife knows  will help to steer you towards recovery

    cheers

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2020, 09:17:19 AM »
Thanks to you both Simon and Joe. I will reply to you tomorrow as it is late here and I am off to bed.  Wife out again with the dog (sorry Joe I did not go with her again!)  First week without PMO completed - yay!

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2020, 07:08:54 AM »
Day 9 of no PMO........not much more to report.  I still need to respond to you Simon and Joe I know.  Busy though work-wise and tired at night.  When I get the chance I would like to put more meat on the bones of my story but for now here is to a decade of days!

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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2020, 09:32:14 AM »
A few days of not posting anything here and you can probably guess what has happened - yes, that's right I have fallen off the wagon!  I know what led to it - once more it was the frustration caused by having hopes once more dashed of anything sexual with my wife over the weekend.  So I have been going back to chatting to pretty bad people and them sharing with me pretty bad stuff :(  I have even been doing it while my wife has been sitting in the same room!  The fact is however while watching it, at the same time I was thinking I really don't want to be watching this and wasting my time again - what I really want is to be having sex with my wife - why won't she do anything with me!? I don't want to blame her and I not saying that if I had regular sex with her that it would lead to me never wanting to watch porn but on the other hand I think it just might!  Sorry everyone - time to start again :(

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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2020, 03:01:45 PM »
Oh Richard … I'm sorry to read that  :(

Firstly, brush yourself down, jump back onto the wagon, and take some time to reflect.

If the truth be known, I joined this forum a year ago, back in February 2019.  However, I only "watched from the sideline" still in denial, before I started to seriously attempt my first reboot, which I thought I could succeed on my own.  It took me several "failed" attempts before I started the ongoing reboot "proper".

If you are watching porn while in the same room as your wife, that's not really fair on her?  If she knew about it, could you blame her for not wanting to have sex with you?

It might be a good idea to confess to her?  Let her know that you love her, and that you are missing the intimancy with her, and explain what the impact of her behaviour is having on you, and what is it making you do.

I had to repeatedly emphasise to my wife that it wasn't about sex, it was about sharing love … wanting to care for her, and to feel a reciprocating feeling.

Like you I used to egarly await sex, but then frequently ended up feeling let down.  Watching porn became a substitute.  If I'm really honest, my fetish was to watch intimate and sensual videos.  The dophamine rush was a "pick me up".  This cycle of behaviour reinforced the addiction.

The more porn I was watching, the more warped my expectation were, and the more resentment I felt … and the less love I felt towards my wife … which reduced the chances of having sex … … and so I watched more porn… and the merry go around continued!

In order to break the cycle, I had to decouple porn from sex.  The first step was to lower my expectations, and making the most of the "good times".  In simple terms "making my glass half full, not half empty". This was critical to achieving option 3 previously described.

Unfortunately, there is will be no instant solution.  It won't be a 100m dash, more like a marathon, to not only respect yourself again, but also to win back the trust of your wife.

Good Luck.  I know it isn't easy, but the rewards will be worth it  :)

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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2020, 09:43:36 AM »
Thanks, Simonly but I afraid and embarrassed to say that despite good intentions I have remained off the wagon and on my return from work continued with the PM - even with all the family still in the house - how bad is that :(

You say maybe I should confess to my wife but as I think I said in an earlier post my wife knows I watch porn - although she would be rightfully horrified if she knew the type of porn that is currently getting me off.  In fact, one of her usual responses, when she can see I am frustrated, is 'just go and use your right hand'!  So yep I have that conversation with her many times saying I don't want to look at porn, I just want to make love with her - but nothing ever changes.

She likes to cuddle and for me to hold her, stroke her hair and massage her back - all this I gladly do but get nothing back in return. On the times she does do something, as I said before it is usually a big chore for her - often she has fallen asleep when giving me a hand-job - what does that say!!!

So maybe I should just accept it and use the porn as you say as a 'substitute' - I am not sure I can lower my expectations any more than I do at the moment - maybe my marathon running is at an end before it even started?

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2020, 06:24:32 PM »
Hi Richard

    sorry to hear about the set back.. I am no professional councillor here but perhaps I can offer some insite to my own story.  Please accept this as mainly insite and not advice,   Perhaps setting  a small goal   say 15 days of no porn  but also no expectation from your wife for anything.   I say small goals as I found them to be a huge help  as they were easy victories.  Victories I could easily build on and celebrate.   
 I have read so much here in the partners section about how they are told over and over to "take care their own wellbeing"" and  "put themselves 1st"  when they have a porn addicted partner.  I agree that this is super improtant for they need to heal also.   Very rarely is this said  to an addict.  Its usually  you must confess 1st and foremost.  Since your wife already knows and is no tall that  supportive  in your attempts to quit porn and leave it behind, you need to work on wtory ays to build a different support system.  Also take stock as to the reasons you want to quit porn.  Is it just for the sake of your wife?  If so you will be fighting a losing battle  all the way. 

 In my story   I had several reasons for quitting(thse are not in any particular order)

    1  I find people change over time and  the feel my wife may someday not accept the fact that I surfed a little porn.  I'm sure this would have some sort of effect on our marraige.
    2  I have hobbies that I never  persued as much as I could have because of time wasted.  Hobbies that would make me a more interesting man,  a man others want to be around.
    3  I feel that porn has held back my professional life   I am 49 and feel  that I probably could have retired  by 50 comfortably had I been able to think much more clearely.
    4 I suffered from a huge lack of confidence.  Now this one is tricky  I dont know  if I started porn because of a lack of confidence  or gained my lack of it due to porn use  but from what I read  giving it up usually  helps  to build confidence  so I figured  why not take the chance(I will say  it really has made a huge difference)
    5 I subscribe to "be the change you want to see"   We have all read about  what is happening in the porn world  all the way from the actresses down to the 10 year old kid who has easy axcess ot it.  Less people watching less support for the producers  and more the message gets out that this is a huge problem in society,  Am i going to be a part of the problem or a part of the solution?  I think we all know the answer to that.
    6  That empty feeling your left with after the fact  of viewing porn and m'ing and o'ing to it.  The 1st thing I would think of was how week and lazy I am  taking this road.  I though about some of my friends and  had to ask myself  is this what Dan is doing?  Is this what Mark is doing?   Judging by their success  in their hobbies(which are the same as mine)  and how far they have taken them  I would have to think  there is no way  they are doing this

   There are also other reasons I'm sure that  pop in and out of my head and especially since I have quit other thoughts seem to bounce in and out of my head   basically more insight  on the benefits of quitting(not so much reasons  but befefits)   Things like the improvement in my health   better communication  with my wife and others around me   exc


      As for your wife  I had gone through a few of the same things  from time to time (not as severe an issue as you face though)   But it seems since I quit porn some of those isses seemed to have solved themselves.   The big issue I faced was always having to be the initiator.  It was abit of an attact on my self esteem and confidence that she didnt come and jump my bones or made me feel desirable.  Even after I discussed how I felt  she would just downplay it.  Eventually it came to the point where I didnt show as much interest  and I think  that hit her.  It seems to have been a control issue in the end.   But perhaps it was  my improved confidence and renewed interests in hobbies exc.  Things I had control over and she didnt   I will be very honoust here that  my pone hobby is music   I play several instruments and when I began to improve my abilities and got into a band setting   the confidence I felt was incredable  It is a great subsitute for sex   When your cheered on by  girls when you play totally validates who I am as a person.  In the end I cannot change someone else(my wife) to make me feel better so I found another way.

    You might want to give both you and your wife a break and  concentrate solely on healing yourself of an addiction.  Get well  than get "good"    Be the man  everyone else wants to be and to  be around. In the end you might find that sex is not as important  as you thought.  Your wife may also sense the change in you and not want to be left behind.   There is also ths chance it may have no effect on her in any way but save that cross that bridge when you get to it.

    Take some time  to take stock  for now   and begin the battle again


     cheers

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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2020, 04:39:50 AM »
I do feel your pain Richard  :'(  I know the same feeling  :'(

Your username is suffixed "UK", so I assume that you are based in the UK, the same as me?  If I could, I would suggest "lets's meet for a pint at the local pub?", and would try to support you face to face, convincing you to "STOP ... STOP ... STOP THE PORN!".

I'm not a qualified counsellor either, but would want on support someone who is going through the same as I went through, if only in the capacity of "someone to talk to".  However, the ongoing lockdown in the UK due to the coronavirus has squashed this suggestion! But if you want to send me a personal message if it helps.

Please do consider the "take 1 step back, and 2 steps forward in a different direction" option, aka option 3, even if for your own wellbeing.

It might worth looking back and recalling if the situation has always been like this? If it hasn't, then try and work through what has caused the change.

When I first meet my wife, it was a "long distance" relationship.  We were living 100 miles apart and only saw each other at weekends, when ... putting it bluntly, we were like rabbits when we were together.  I used to go back home on Sunday night / Monday morning literally feeling knackered.

It was after we got married that all the same issue that you are experiencing started.  She moved in with me, and from my perspective was able to enjoy a better quality of life than she has before ...  she got a better job than she previously had before, we had no financial worries, lived in a nice house, etc.

I saw a complete change in her behaviour which I had never experienced before, including abstaining from sex.  So why the change?

Referring to my journal, I discovered that she had previous episodes of depression, and suffered from anxiety.  She had never let me known about it before.  The menopause made things worse.  She wasn't as resilient to the change in our lifestyle as she had originally made out, and I felt gutted.

If you know any of your wife's friend, you may be able to a gather an insight into how your wife is feeling from a different perspective.  Maybe your daughter could help?  I started to work out what was happening using information from others.    My wife felt ashamed to let me know directly, and I didn't "read" the situation very well. probably because I was too absorbed in porn?

My wife also knew I was watching porn, and openly accused me of "going on my w@nk machine" when I disappeared to the toilet upstairs for a long time in the evening.  She still does, even though I haven't watched porn for 84 days.  The stigma will never go.

Continuing watching porn is only turning their problem into our problem.  Instead of working together to resolve their problem i was faced with more problems, and if the truth be known, my wife hasn't directly helped me overcome my addiction.

One last thing that motivated me to give up porn was the ongoing coverage on the news at that time about "famous" celebrities in the UK who were convicted of sex charges.  When the newsreader reports "1000's of indecent images were found on a phone and PC", they are referring to the thumbnail pictures that are downloaded when searching for porn on the internet.  I never intentionally searched for anything explicit, but you can't control what the internet throws at you when searching for porn.  One of the characteristics of a Porn Addict is that their tolerance to the "level" of porn they are prepared to watch diminishing.  I am sure this is something we are all guilty of?

On a closing note, remember the quote by Jeff Foxworthy, an american stand up comedian ... "Getting married for sex is like buying a 747 for the free peanuts"  :-\