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A EasyPeasy method NOT based on WillPower.
« on: January 03, 2017, 11:24:30 PM »
Hi all. Here is a "hackbook" of a Method that does NOT ask you to use 'Willpower' (which I think is ineffective). It is based on a very successful method and I am confident you will see results. Cheers. https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home

The Method does NOT ask you to use 'Willpower'.
Readers don't need to quit until you complete reading the book !!! In fact I recommend not to quit or cut down until finishing the book !!!
One will learn how to stop the slippery slope of TUC- "thoughts-urges-cravings" right at the first stage, thoughts !!! One will not (a) ignore (b) fight or (c) try NOT to think the thought.
One will not feel MaD 'miserable and deprived' when you overcome a PMO urge. And at the other hand will not feel MaG 'miserable and guilty' when you fail either.
One will learn why the instinctive WillPower method is destructive for quitting purposes.
The book does not engage in scare tactics. It's goal is your happiness.
You will be free from the shackles of slavery to PMO. Like Count De Monte Cristo.
You will face the world in an elated mood after you are done with the book.
You will have the vim and energy to say “ Yippeee! I am free. I am not a slave any more. I am glad I don’t have to PMO”
You will find no reason to hang around forums any more - unless your intention is to help other’s out.
You will learn in detail and not worry about a slip-lapse-relapse escalation stages as you will not feel ‘miserable and guilty’ at the first slip.
But then that won’t happen is almost most cases.
Check it out. I guarantee you results based on my experience. Cheers!!!
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http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/...quit-smoking-method-to-use-to-quit-pmo.36712/
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0
« Last Edit: January 13, 2017, 03:35:55 AM by le_petit_moster »
PS: I've written a hackbook based on a very effective method. It does not use the Willpower method or scare tactics or brain science.
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 10:24:22 AM »
I dont like how you put this book out there as the silver bullet, but very solid tips and deep theory!!
More people should check it out
No more tracker! Realized I don't need and want PMO ever again! A tracker will set you up to live towards a target, there is no target you just have to realise you are a no-PMO-er.
More info: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0;topicseen

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 08:02:50 AM »
Thank you for taking the time and energy to write this all up and share it.

I am about a quarter of the way through so far. It is engaging and interesting. It's challenged some of my thoughts and made me think deeper. I want to read more.

Much appreciated and my gratitude to you.

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 09:27:22 AM »
Took a bit of time and read it. It has some valuable information, but it also could use some work.

I did have to wonder about the advice to not stop until one had finished reading the book, otherwise the method won't work. I guess that means I'm doomed, since I had already stopped at the end of October.

The constant claims that the addiction has no pleasure are based on a misunderstanding of neurochemistry and neuroanatomy. It's flat-out wrong to claim that there is no pleasure in an addiction. There is a great deal of pleasure in it.

What is not in an addiction are satisfaction or happiness.

This can clear up some of the simple neuroscientific mistakes in that book:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008353/

I think the author lacks the ability to express himself with sufficient clarity. Something can be pleasurable without making you happy. The problem is that the author does not wish to accept (or perhaps cannot accept) the well-known and well-established fact that "pleasure" is not automatically "good". Something can give a great deal of momentary pleasure and still be very unpleasant in the long run. The Epicureans also had this difficulty, so they altered the definition of "pleasure" based on long-term outcomes. However, shouting about something doesn't change the simple fact that our pleasure circuits are activated by addiction. Perhaps the author is unable to grasp the possibility that something can be pleasurable and still not be good.

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 09:48:59 AM »
i don´t know; i think that willpower is and always will be the key, because otherwise any other method will became just like a crutch, in other words: willpower is the only thing that can help us walk again because like the name implies it comes from our resolve to get cured; any other method will make us dependent on it; we will be trading one addiction for an other!! i might be wrong but i just don´t believe in easy ways!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2017, 12:22:49 PM »

Did you actually read the book? It actually has been fairly well established that "the willpower method" doesn't work for any form of addiction. When an addict is still hooked on "willpower", it's part of the addiction/fasting/remission cycle, which ends up strengthening the addiction.

When you make it all about "willpower", you will ultimately fail, because "willpower" does not actually reprogram and rebuild you. It is relying on the exact same systems that perpetuate the addiction. You set up a "fast" from porn, which means you have framed it as "denial". There is something out there that you are "denying" to yourself, and you have to exert "willpower" to do the "denial". This still frames pornography as desirable, even if it is now portrayed as "wrong", "bad", "unhealthy", etc. It now is even more desirable, since it is not only the fix, it is now the forbidden fix. You have to use your willpower to stay away from the forbidden fix. It becomes a purely moralistic battle. Note that I say "moralistic" and not moral--this is an important distinction.

When we fail in this moralistic battle, it reinforces the attitude that we are flawed, broken, damaged goods, bad. This then moves into the self-loathing stage, which sets us up for more "willpower", which sets us up to fall. Eventually, this produces the spiral of re-addiction.


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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2017, 04:01:32 PM »
You bring up a good point, Penitent. When I was in Overeaters Anonymous there were people who were as compulsive about not overeating/abstaining from junk food as they were when they were overeating.

I also agree with you regarding pleasure and addictions. With very few exceptions (cutters for instance), addictive actions/substances do produce pleasure, at least at first. Once we are hooked we might continue even though it no longer brings pleasure.

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2017, 04:03:24 PM »
penitent i´m speaking for myself and myself only!! to me the problem is not porn itself!! after all we are men; to think about sex, to have fantasies about sex, to want to watch sex is a natural thing; the problem is how we use those resources and even if willpower turns this into some "moralistic" thing the "forbidden fix" like you said; since i´m now aware of it the chances of getting me by surprise are minimum; many guys here if not all of them when first started to watch porn didn´t have the slightest idea that could cause ED but now we know so that is when willpower comes!! like: "that shit is not good for me so why would i keep doing that? i´m gonna get far away from that shit!!" so what is wrong about that? i´m a great enthusiastic of the philosophy that if we have a weakness you have to face it and face it until it can no longer harm you any more face your fear in the eye!!! like i said dirty thoughts are part of who we are is part of nature we just need to learn how to deal each of us in our own way!!!

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 04:34:17 PM »
I did have to wonder about the advice to not stop until one had finished reading the book, otherwise the method won't work. I guess that means I'm doomed, since I had already stopped at the end of October.

The constant claims that the addiction has no pleasure are based on a misunderstanding of neurochemistry and neuroanatomy. It's flat-out wrong to claim that there is no pleasure in an addiction. There is a great deal of pleasure in it.

What is not in an addiction are satisfaction or happiness.

This can clear up some of the simple neuroscientific mistakes in that book:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008353/

The problem is that the author does not wish to accept (or perhaps cannot accept) the well-known and well-established fact that "pleasure" is not automatically "good". Something can give a great deal of momentary pleasure and still be very unpleasant in the long run.

Hello Penitent...
a) the advice not to stop if you haven't stopped is controversial.. I agree. However, I have to do that since I have seen that until the reader goes through all the chapters and has unlocked the key to slay the big monster- he/she is going to create stress by trying to quit. It is as simple as that. But it has become so effective for many. And I am fully confident that once a person gets to the point of completely killing out the big monster- there is not point in discussing the decision anyways.
It has been 3 months quitting for you.. how do you feel ? If you feel elated and can say ' yippee I am free, I don't need to PMO no more. I am no more a slave.' you have done good job of slaying the big monster. You should be feeling pity for other PMOers and not envy. You should never ever feel MaD- that is miserable and deprived at all. I am sure you do from your clear writing skills and your deep insight. Congrats.!!!

b) Addiction has no pleasure in my book..it has the illusion of pleasure and a crutch. Quoting from my book "Remember, the PMO never were genuine rewards. They were equivalent to wearing tight shoes to get the pleasure of taking them off. So if you feel that you must have a little reward, let that be your substitute; while you are working, wear a pair of shoes or an underwear a size too small for you, don't allow yourself to remove them until you have your break, then experience that wonderful moment of relaxation and satisfaction when you do remove them. Perhaps you feel that would be rather stupid. You are absolutely right. It's hard to visualize while you are still in the trap, but that is what PMOers do. It's also hard to visualize that soon you won't need that little 'reward', and you'll regard your friends who are still in the trap with genuine pity and wonder why they cannot see the point."

I have considered brain chemistry and you can see that in my book- the porn waterslides.. and the little monster ... they both are the dopamine surges and the resulting DeltaFosb etc. But I decided not to go into it just to show off my knowledge. They are dime a dozen out there. I don't believe PMOers will quit with this knowledge of brain science.

PS: I've written a hackbook based on a very effective method. It does not use the Willpower method or scare tactics or brain science.
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2017, 04:39:46 PM »
i don´t know; i think that willpower is and always will be the key, because otherwise any other method will became just like a crutch, in other words: willpower is the only thing that can help us walk again because like the name implies it comes from our resolve to get cured; any other method will make us dependent on it; we will be trading one addiction for an other!! i might be wrong but i just don´t believe in easy ways!!!!
Dear Ifelipe...
Willpower is detrimental in quitting addiction. Look PMOers already have good willpower to continue in spite of the risks. It makes them MaD ( miserable & mad) , MaG ( miserable & guilty)  and will never give them the elated mood of 'Yipeee, I don't need or have to PMO no more.. I am free from the prison".
Besides let me suggest that you try my method too.
I will make a Pascal's wager with you.. with this Method you will (a) loose a little now  - the illusory pleasures of PMO (b) gain a lot - freedom !!! and (c) high chance of avoiding larger physical and mental losses. You can always go back to your preferred Method when you want.
Deal ?
PS: I've written a hackbook based on a very effective method. It does not use the Willpower method or scare tactics or brain science.
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2017, 07:58:42 PM »
i´ve been reading the book!! i´ve read about 1/3 of it and it is very good indeed i have to say!!! but so far it seems to be vilifying porn too much!! i still believe that it can be used in a healthy way, like once in every 3 or 6 months for exemple!! maybe i will change my mind after i finish the book but let´s see!!! but i have to say it looks very promising is really good!!!

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 08:22:30 AM »
I finished reading the book. In fact, I found it quite compelling reading.

Yes, it could be tidied up somewhat but I found the message quite interesting and a different approach.

Particularly I liked the treatment of looking at the "Willpower Method" and this connected a lot for me and the guys I know. Essentially, it is a deprivation viewpoint which makes it unsustainable and unstable.

The approach here encourages turning around how you look at your life. To be thankful for what you have, develop and more balanced view of the ups and downs, realise you can cope with anything and enjoy the pmo free life you now have. It is a message of positivity rather than reluctance. That the greatest reward and gift for you is your own freedom and life back. That is huge. There is so much to gain and nothing really to lose.

I find it pretty ironic that most of the guys here would willingly grant freedom from this addiction to any of the other guys here. That we witness a lot of distress and suffering from others that is horrible. Yet we would not be kind enough to grant that freedom to ourselves. The great irony being that you cannot control others, only yourself. This is how distorted my mind had become.

I think it does well to look at and challenge the cognitive distortions that go on in the mind of an addict. There are many subconscious feelings and thoughts of how things should work that aren't true. I had several points of connection.

The point regarding pleasure is interesting. But really I don't think it's actually "pleasure" - instead porn was a "thrill" or a buzz. And that is very different from satisfaction and fulfilment. So when somebody says porn is pleasurable, I think now that is a distortion to avoid seeing the whole picture. It's a broken lonely coping mechanism, very likely done in secret, alone with a whole host of mental and physical drawbacks to distract you from life. It's not pleasurable, it's sad and unhappy. At best, it's a cheap thrill and escapism. Give that guy a hug and your heart, he needs it abd is hurting - and keep life moving forward.

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 09:13:16 AM »
penitent i´m speaking for myself and myself only!! to me the problem is not porn itself!! after all we are men; to think about sex, to have fantasies about sex, to want to watch sex is a natural thing; the problem is how we use those resources and even if willpower turns this into some "moralistic" thing the "forbidden fix" like you said; since i´m now aware of it the chances of getting me by surprise are minimum; many guys here if not all of them when first started to watch porn didn´t have the slightest idea that could cause ED but now we know so that is when willpower comes!! like: "that shit is not good for me so why would i keep doing that? i´m gonna get far away from that shit!!" so what is wrong about that? i´m a great enthusiastic of the philosophy that if we have a weakness you have to face it and face it until it can no longer harm you any more face your fear in the eye!!! like i said dirty thoughts are part of who we are is part of nature we just need to learn how to deal each of us in our own way!!!

Your approach is a recipe for readdiction and a permanent cycle. Porn is not sex. Sex is not porn. Separate the two in your mind. We are NOT hard-wired for porn. Porn and sex are not the same thing.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 09:26:36 AM »

I NEVER envied men who were still porn addicts, not for an instant. Why would I? That makes no sense at all. I can't see HOW I could have ever envied such people. The thought NEVER entered my head for a moment, not even before I read the little "magic book". How could there be any envy?

And I had ALREADY STOPPED before finding the book, but the book said to NOT STOP before reading the entire book. Therefore, I MUST BE DOOMED, right? The book suffers from some really atrocious writing that badly obscures the good points it makes.

As for feeling "elated"--I don't do elated. I do satisfied. I do accomplishment. I do "I am so chilling." But I don't do "elated", just like I do NOT hug random people on the street. It's not the way I'm wired. I haven't done elated even as a child. It's not my way to express myself. Whether I feel any of those regarding pornography addiction, I'd say that I'm more watchful than anything. Guard the door, because even when clean, I know that the old pathways still have a relic, and that relic is still fairly fresh. Long-term addiction can produce long-term brain alterations, so it behooves me to maintain relaxed vigilance. Now, I don't feel deprived, I don't miss it. I don't long for it. I also couldn't quite figure out WHAT the method in the book was--the book was far too garbled and full of hyperbole for its own sake.

Now, I do not feel pity for the folks still in the throes of the active addiction. I don't do pity. I'll exercise compassion and offer advice, but I don't do pity. Pity is demeaning. As for your hair-splitting about "illusion of pleasure", that's cult leader language, not borne out by real neuroscience. I do know enough about the neuroscience of pleasure, hedonics, and eudaimonia to know that there is quite a bit of pleasure in addictions, and no amount of word diddling will change that. What is missing from addiction are satisfaction and happiness. That is why the next hit keeps being taken--the addict seeks eudaimonia, happiness, satisfaction, and it never occurs, so there's another hit once the wave of pleasure fades. Your consideration of brain chemistry is extremely rudimentary and superficial. You are too heavily chained to your irrational fear of admitting neurological truths about addiction to actually use up-to-date neuroscience.

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 12:54:10 PM »
I finished reading the book. In fact, I found it quite compelling reading.

Yes, it could be tidied up somewhat but I found the message quite interesting and a different approach.

Particularly I liked the treatment of looking at the "Willpower Method" and this connected a lot for me and the guys I know. Essentially, it is a deprivation viewpoint which makes it unsustainable and unstable.

The approach here encourages turning around how you look at your life. To be thankful for what you have, develop and more balanced view of the ups and downs, realise you can cope with anything and enjoy the pmo free life you now have. It is a message of positivity rather than reluctance. That the greatest reward and gift for you is your own freedom and life back. That is huge. There is so much to gain and nothing really to lose.

I find it pretty ironic that most of the guys here would willingly grant freedom from this addiction to any of the other guys here. That we witness a lot of distress and suffering from others that is horrible. Yet we would not be kind enough to grant that freedom to ourselves. The great irony being that you cannot control others, only yourself. This is how distorted my mind had become.

I think it does well to look at and challenge the cognitive distortions that go on in the mind of an addict. There are many subconscious feelings and thoughts of how things should work that aren't true. I had several points of connection.

The point regarding pleasure is interesting. But really I don't think it's actually "pleasure" - instead porn was a "thrill" or a buzz. And that is very different from satisfaction and fulfilment. So when somebody says porn is pleasurable, I think now that is a distortion to avoid seeing the whole picture. It's a broken lonely coping mechanism, very likely done in secret, alone with a whole host of mental and physical drawbacks to distract you from life. It's not pleasurable, it's sad and unhappy. At best, it's a cheap thrill and escapism. Give that guy a hug and your heart, he needs it abd is hurting - and keep life moving forward.

Dear Offaxis...
***Thank you !!!  You made me feel happy to have written that hackbook. I will humbly submit all credits to Allen Carr.
***In CBT/REBT there is a technique called 'role playing' / 'externalization of voices'- which is close to how guys/gals feel when they witness others misery.
***I am going to use your words about 'pleasure' to answer Penitent's post.
Thanks hugely
Wish you well.
PS: I've written a hackbook based on a very effective method. It does not use the Willpower method or scare tactics or brain science.
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0

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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2017, 01:00:01 PM »
I finished reading the book. In fact, I found it quite compelling reading.

Yes, it could be tidied up somewhat but I found the message quite interesting and a different approach.

Particularly I liked the treatment of looking at the "Willpower Method" and this connected a lot for me and the guys I know. Essentially, it is a deprivation viewpoint which makes it unsustainable and unstable.

The approach here encourages turning around how you look at your life. To be thankful for what you have, develop and more balanced view of the ups and downs, realise you can cope with anything and enjoy the pmo free life you now have. It is a message of positivity rather than reluctance. That the greatest reward and gift for you is your own freedom and life back. That is huge. There is so much to gain and nothing really to lose.

I find it pretty ironic that most of the guys here would willingly grant freedom from this addiction to any of the other guys here. That we witness a lot of distress and suffering from others that is horrible. Yet we would not be kind enough to grant that freedom to ourselves. The great irony being that you cannot control others, only yourself. This is how distorted my mind had become.

I think it does well to look at and challenge the cognitive distortions that go on in the mind of an addict. There are many subconscious feelings and thoughts of how things should work that aren't true. I had several points of connection.

The point regarding pleasure is interesting. But really I don't think it's actually "pleasure" - instead porn was a "thrill" or a buzz. And that is very different from satisfaction and fulfilment. So when somebody says porn is pleasurable, I think now that is a distortion to avoid seeing the whole picture. It's a broken lonely coping mechanism, very likely done in secret, alone with a whole host of mental and physical drawbacks to distract you from life. It's not pleasurable, it's sad and unhappy. At best, it's a cheap thrill and escapism. Give that guy a hug and your heart, he needs it abd is hurting - and keep life moving forward.

Solid summary. I agree porn is often used as an escape. And also relates alot with boredom which might be created by loneliness, all together a downward spiral.
No more tracker! Realized I don't need and want PMO ever again! A tracker will set you up to live towards a target, there is no target you just have to realise you are a no-PMO-er.
More info: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0;topicseen

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2017, 01:08:10 PM »
Hi all. Here is a "hackbook" of a Method that does NOT ask you to use 'Willpower' (which I think is ineffective). It is based on a very successful method and I am confident you will see results. Cheers. https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home

Could I read your journal anywhere? Im curious did you start out trying 'will power'?
Thx

PS: I think whats needed is a combination. You have to know you don't want to watch porn. But you still have to break the "in-the-moment-pleasurable" habits, which might at times requires will power by e.g. choosing to come to this forum instead of watching p when you have a craving.
No more tracker! Realized I don't need and want PMO ever again! A tracker will set you up to live towards a target, there is no target you just have to realise you are a no-PMO-er.
More info: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0;topicseen

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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2017, 01:15:49 PM »

I NEVER envied men who were still porn addicts, not for an instant. Why would I? That makes no sense at all. I can't see HOW I could have ever envied such people. The thought NEVER entered my head for a moment, not even before I read the little "magic book". How could there be any envy?

And I had ALREADY STOPPED before finding the book, but the book said to NOT STOP before reading the entire book. Therefore, I MUST BE DOOMED, right? The book suffers from some really atrocious writing that badly obscures the good points it makes.

As for feeling "elated"--I don't do elated. I do satisfied. I do accomplishment. I do "I am so chilling." But I don't do "elated", just like I do NOT hug random people on the street. It's not the way I'm wired. I haven't done elated even as a child. It's not my way to express myself. Whether I feel any of those regarding pornography addiction, I'd say that I'm more watchful than anything. Guard the door, because even when clean, I know that the old pathways still have a relic, and that relic is still fairly fresh. Long-term addiction can produce long-term brain alterations, so it behooves me to maintain relaxed vigilance. Now, I don't feel deprived, I don't miss it. I don't long for it. I also couldn't quite figure out WHAT the method in the book was--the book was far too garbled and full of hyperbole for its own sake.

Now, I do not feel pity for the folks still in the throes of the active addiction. I don't do pity. I'll exercise compassion and offer advice, but I don't do pity. Pity is demeaning. As for your hair-splitting about "illusion of pleasure", that's cult leader language, not borne out by real neuroscience. I do know enough about the neuroscience of pleasure, hedonics, and eudaimonia to know that there is quite a bit of pleasure in addictions, and no amount of word diddling will change that. What is missing from addiction are satisfaction and happiness. That is why the next hit keeps being taken--the addict seeks eudaimonia, happiness, satisfaction, and it never occurs, so there's another hit once the wave of pleasure fades. Your consideration of brain chemistry is extremely rudimentary and superficial. You are too heavily chained to your irrational fear of admitting neurological truths about addiction to actually use up-to-date neuroscience.

Dear Penitent..
*** You don't feel envy - checks with me and we are good
*** You don't feel pity - checks with me too - why ? because do feel compassion and you offer help. And we are good. The essence of the Method is to feel something more powerful than PIF ( pmo induced feelings) of lower quality. We are good.
*** You don't feel elated -checks with me too ? why you do give advice in this forum. That tells me you are feeling elated in your own way. We are good too.
*** In my book PMO is not a pleasure.
As 'offaxis' nicely noted in his post...which I will take a hack at ( no pun intended) is this...I feel good eating the first handful of peanuts, I feel pleasure. Then I reminisce and grab the 2nd handful and I feel good. At this point I know I should stop. But I continue and go for the 3rd,4th, 5th etc. You may say I felt pleasure. But after the 2nd grab- I am going to say it was pleasure but is NOT pleasure now.  From then on I am careful how I use my language and say it is NOT a pleasure. Now soneone can argue that eating peanuts is a pleasure but if I have years and years of failure in my hands I will say - it was pleasure, it is not a pleasure now. And after years and years of success -like probably you have- I may go back reminisce and say - it is a pleasure ( dated back back ) then it became not a pleasure ( dated before becoming ex-PMOer) and say it is a pleasure ( now)  and I dont need it no more as I know that there is no JOP ( just one peek). We are limited here by linguistics.
Hence I will say " In my book PMO is NOT a Pleasure" and then take the chances.
*** Penitent.... I thank you for your comments. I think my Method is not needed for you even if I had met you before you quitting. Now you sure don't. But if you find some one who may benefit from it - please feel free to share. Especially younger folks, people who are averse to scare tactics, people who don't find brain science method and etc work for them.
I strongly think my Method is far better than the willpower method. And the willpower method is far better than doing nothing or worse knowing nothing about the trap. We are all in this to kill this scandal. We are the guinea pigs of this high-speed-poison-delivery-to-home and so we need all the help.
Cheers-

PS: I've written a hackbook based on a very effective method. It does not use the Willpower method or scare tactics or brain science.
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0

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Re: A EasyPeasy method NOT based on WillPower.
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2017, 01:33:16 PM »
Could I read your journal anywhere? Im curious did you start out trying 'will power'?
Thx

PS: I think whats needed is a combination. You have to know you don't want to watch porn. But you still have to break the "in-the-moment-pleasurable" habits, which might at times requires will power by e.g. choosing to come to this forum instead of watching p when you have a craving.
Dear Marcus...

***I used willpower method as it is the first thing we naturally do. With it -when I was successful I was MaD- miserable and deprived and when I failed I was MaG miserable and guilty. I am a strong willed person in many other areas of my life and am pretty successful as well. But using willpower is a big mistake for any de-addiction. Knowledge and insights don't help either. In fact Willpower must be preserved for other things in life - every debit on this resource will tire your life out. And what is the first thing that pops to a PMOers mind when he gets stressed and tired of the day to day life ? Yep PMO.

***I did not use a journal or an online pact or PMO counters. The reason is in the book which I am quoting here. Note: Pls - readers- don't jump chapters- they combo to unlock must be used in the proper sequence. Thanks.

"""Another typical example is online or forum pacts. These have the advantage of eliminating temptation for certain periods . However, they generally fail for the following reasons.

        1 The incentive is false. Why should you want to stop just because other people are doing so? All this does is to create an additional pressure, which increases the feeling of sacrifice. It is fine if all PMOers genuinely want to stop at one particular time. However, you cannot force PMOers to stop, and although all PMOers secretly want to, until they are ready to do so a pact just creates additional pressure, which increases their desire to PMO. This turns them into secret PMOers, which further increases the feeling of dependency.

        2 The 'Rotten apple' theory, or dependency on each other. Under the Willpower Method of stopping, the PMOer is undergoing a period of penance during which he waits for the urge to PMO to go. If he gives in, there is a sense of failure. Under the Willpower Method one of the participants is bound to give in sooner or later. The other participants now have the excuse they have been waiting for. It's not their fault. They would have held out. It is just that ‘Fred’ has let them down. The truth is that most of them have already been cheating.

        3 'Sharing the credit' is the reverse of the 'Rotten apple' theory. Here the loss of face due to failure is not so bad when shared. There is a marvelous sense of achievement in stopping PMOing. When you are doing it alone the acclaim you receive from your friends, and online buddies can be a tremendous boost to help you over the first few days. When everybody is doing it at the same time the credit has to be shared and the boost is consequently reduced
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« Last Edit: January 06, 2017, 04:01:58 PM by le_petit_moster »
PS: I've written a hackbook based on a very effective method. It does not use the Willpower method or scare tactics or brain science.
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0

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Re: A EasyPeasy method NOT based on WillPower.
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2017, 02:46:24 PM »
Interesting insights again.
I'm now at 03-03.
I really like this quote from the book about boredom:

"Many believe PMO relieves boredom. This is also a fallacy. Boredom is a frame of mind. Porn will induce you to “novelty” seeking in no time. Causing you to be eventually more bored unless and until you participate in the ‘wild goose chase’ all night long for the ‘right hit’ producing clip. There is nothing interesting about supernormal stimulus such as internet porn, it fires up dopamine whose only job is to seek clips that evoke strong emotions, interesting novelty and outrageous shock value."

Sometimes I just sit in my room "bored" when I actually have a million things to do but I'm "bored" and want to watch P. This explains the reason..

No more tracker! Realized I don't need and want PMO ever again! A tracker will set you up to live towards a target, there is no target you just have to realise you are a no-PMO-er.
More info: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0;topicseen

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Re: A EasyPeasy method NOT based on WillPower.
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2017, 07:44:48 PM »
Right, so the book is so effective it just speaks the truth about everything that I have been doing for all these years. Thus, it made me confirm and realize even more that I WANT to quit forever. That is the key word I really WANT to now.

Even a few months ago I started a topic where I said how I could be fine with normal sex life (no ED) and still pmo every once a week, looking back that was just a way my mind held on to the addiction like: "okay just 90 days then we can continue".
And when I just started coming to the forum (already in 2014) I did not really want to quit at all.. I just wanted to fix ED and continue to use. Now its all over, my mind cant play tricks ever again. I salute you hack-author for bringing this insight to me.

Frankly, partly due to the mentioning in the book that you should continue pmo till you are done reading, partyle due to me being triggered by reading about the situations in which I used to pmo e.g. : when reading about the dopamine addiction from just browsing for smtn new, partly because I wanted to check out one more stupid fetish AND partly because I WANTED to pmo one last time to say goodbye or smtn I just relapsed.

But I'm not sad at all I know it will be for the very last time!

All the best to you all, and this book is a MUST-READ.
No more tracker! Realized I don't need and want PMO ever again! A tracker will set you up to live towards a target, there is no target you just have to realise you are a no-PMO-er.
More info: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0;topicseen

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Re: A EasyPeasy method NOT based on WillPower.
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2017, 07:42:46 AM »
It is truly a very interesting reading!!!!! right before i started i was already about a month without PMOing and to me the main problems were the night thoughts and temptations and the brainwashing point was right on the spot just like the porn diet and the substitutes subject!! it amazing to be getting free from that!! to know that is just my mind or how he says in the book the "Little Monster" and that i can get rid of it so easily is amazing!!!

These book should be all over the rebooting sites!!! i take back all the things i´ve said before!! i was wrong!!! it is truly great reading!!!!!

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2017, 10:26:19 AM »
Yes the thing is the way the author "advertised" the book, like its a silver bullet, makes people skeptical.
It almost looks as if he needs to sell it to get money. Thanks a ton for not asking money which this book is obviously worth.
More people should open up and give it a chance!
 \Im currently at 03-18
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 10:38:39 AM by MarcusSecret »
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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2017, 10:52:39 AM »
The book is just so relevant for me.


I just did not WANT to quit before:

-2 years ago asking if its okay to still pmo
 http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=2451.msg23983#msg23983

-Classic addict, just browsing for sick shit relapse before exam:
 http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=2709.msg27236#msg27236

-Then left for a year of hypno shit came back 1 year ago still asking if I can pmo after reboot, to "normal stuff" like that would    feed the dopamine enough, just an excuse to accidantly look for smtn novel:
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=6735.msg69527#msg69527

-Then a year more of wanting to quit but not really WANTING to. Till finally I came back a few months ago and still asked if pmo is okay...
http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11178.msg115161#msg115161


Now its all over. Yesterday was the last time ever.

No more tracker! Realized I don't need and want PMO ever again! A tracker will set you up to live towards a target, there is no target you just have to realise you are a no-PMO-er.
More info: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0;topicseen

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2017, 11:24:53 AM »
Jesus H Christ, this part of the book absolutely nails an enormous part of my life again:

"Also of note is in dating area as well, the fire to go forward is being misappropriated to this ‘high reward zero pain’ porn. If you have read some top PUA books and forums, what do they say ? Go on a ‘diet*’ ? Yes of course when you have the good hunger your internal juices and your brain will do the rest. Copping out is not an option at all. Playing the numbers is not tiresome by no means. All PUA advice in a nut-shell is this- try more numbers. Even if your approach is wrong you will be right twice a day like a broken clock. But if your mind is fighting a tug of war with the easy access to a harem of online women how would you get back to feet when that girl ignores you. Oh, if it was a public outright rejection I am running not walking to my porn girlfriend. "

Since a teen I was looking at "PUA" (similar alpha stuff) books because I wanted to be that guy that got all the women. Still I found some guys getting more action this made me mad and let to alot of wars in my mind: "Yea I got to to this and got to go out then cuz I need to score more pussy". How counter-intuitive, trying to force this meant going out there meeting women feeling bad/anxious/hyper-aware of making the right 'moves'. And I know dating is in fact a numbers game, rejection stung me (even though I know it shouldnt being alpha/PUA), which lead my to go even more anxious/hyper-aware into my next approach leading to a lot of fails as probably when I would've just been more myself and less stressed I would've been with alot more women.. (Luckily I still got a bunch some purely due to looks and some because I was just completely relaxed/myself in some approaches.
Now, I know that porn also played a huge role in this, decreasing my ability to take rejection as well as ruining motivation. I remember at parties after one or 2 rounds of rejection I'd already be thinking about my online harem: maybe just 'try' one more girl and then run home! Always gave up on nights to early, kicked myself, now I know the reasons.

Its all over now, I feel incredibly powerful.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 11:36:53 AM by MarcusSecret »
No more tracker! Realized I don't need and want PMO ever again! A tracker will set you up to live towards a target, there is no target you just have to realise you are a no-PMO-er.
More info: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.0;topicseen