Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - pat

Pages: [1] 2
1
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: June 05, 2017, 07:17:57 AM »
Day 2,

My mind is not as much in porn after the relapse of saturday as it was months ago. I guess April and may, with two attempts of rebooting, printed slowly new circuits in my brain.

As it's the beginning of the week and I've got plenty of things to do, action is on my side rather than being in my head fantasizing of tits and shit.

Just get into action mode

2
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: June 03, 2017, 05:12:25 AM »
Day 1,

Damn, I lost it. I relapsed on the past 3 days. Things we're a little out of hands, kind of nothing going wright.

The good is that I did a month.Massive improvement since the first try.

I'll just try to get back on track and try hard to not fall down to it for the next three days as those represent the first step for me.

I noticed for the past month: having sex with my wife was great and helped preventing an eventual relapse. The sexual energy was in a healthy state

3
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 30, 2017, 10:36:54 PM »
Week 4,

I messed up the counter.. hehe. I'm actually on the 4th week. I completed day 1 on the 6th of may., So I'm now on week 4, day 25 without fuckin porn. Whatever with the counter...

I'm seeking for a job and I find it completely boring. I feel I've got no control. I've been self employed for the past 4 years and projecting myself in those job descriptions I read doesn't motivate me. It has been a good driver to quit porn as I needed and still need all energy to to move my mind towards that direction. I've always been a productive worker, sharp and fast, and never stuck at the same point for too long. But searching for a job is aweful, things are not moving and I feel I need to submit myself to forces I do not have any power against. Gees, this feeling is not good.

The good out of this process of job seeking and no porn, is that I don't compensate with porn. I'm enduring tough moments the hard way. On the past 20 years, pmo was a loophole. I could forget the whatever stressful situation I was in.

4
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 29, 2017, 09:16:41 AM »
Week 3, day 25

I've been at this point a very few times in my life.

When I was 18, (almost half of my life ago!), I lived in another country for a whole year. I did not consume porn and did not masturbate a few months in a row. I was fully alive, living an awesome period of my life. Back then, I stopped masturbating because I felt it was wrong and that it was always throwing me in a depressive state. Not depression, just a feeling of being depressed, energyless. So I did it naturally. I had almost no access to porn, which was not the case of the years before (from 15 to 18). When I came back home, internet speed was getting better from year to year and I binged the shit out of my head.

Never stopped more than 10 days after this period. Or I simply to not recall. When I was undergrad, streaming porn was not quite there, I stopped masturbating 3 to 5 days before almost all exams. The reason was simple, I needed energy to study, and when I was watching porn and pmoing, even if it was one or two hours in the morning, I was feeling energyless, motivation was not there to study. So the best thing to do was to avoid pmo. And what's best than getting out of the house and going to the library.

I wonder, it's funny but sad at the same time, maybe all male students in libraries studying are there to avoid binging to porn all day long in their rooms.

Anyways. I feel great in the moment. Three weeks, wow. The urge to watch porn is extremely lower. I had sex with my girl a few times, we're more connecting and it helps me a lot in the process. I'm committed to stay away from porn.

Yesterday, I saw a documentary on porn producers. Basically, they were saying that porn was the driver that led internet where is it today. Streaming evolved because there was a demand for porn streaming and all of the network necessary to support the bandwidth grew to support the demand. And then other tube sites came in.

True or not, porn is still shit. It burned whole periods of my life. It took my energy away during countless years.

If I hated males and wanted them to fail, I would bombard them with the very best porn I can produce and use strategic means to get them all alone in front of a screen.

5
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 23, 2017, 11:20:48 AM »
Week 3, day 19

@KittyHawk, thanks for your message. In my case, since day 1 of rebooting, sleep has dramatically improved. I've had bad nights here and there, but by bad, I mean 6 hours. When I was fapping, 6 hours night sleep was actually a good night. I must also say I've been jogging almost each mornings so it's difficult to dissociate those two variables and tell exactly which of rebooting or doing sport brings the best sleep.

Like you say, "You need to find out how to balance this out for yourself". Plus, the temptation for pmo increases badly when you fantasize. I think there's only one way to live a healthy sexual life:,
  • banish porn from my life
  • have sex with my wife

There's multiple paths to get there and the most difficult thing is to avoid any triggers leading me to porn. By chance and because of my experiences I believe, I do not have PIED, I guess because of this, I do not feel I need to stop sex with my so for a while. I'm connecting in a better way with with her now, and overall having sex with her helps me in the whole process.

In my case, the way triggers operate is the following:
  • I get aroused by other women of everyday life. It can be a women walking in the mall, in the street and it can be one of those sexy girls we see everywhere in the medias.
  • Then I fantasize of that girl in whatever situation porn taught me in the last 20 years.
  • Then, bam, the next steps are almost impossible to avoid : pmo

I believe a good way to short-circuit this shit is to channel the first step towards my girl, then get with her. Equally, I've committed to ban porn from my life.

Like the teachings of Allen Carr: when you quit smoking, quit by knowing you do not enjoy smoking and commit to never smoke a cigarette again. If you quit smoking and still think you,re leaving something you really enjoy, you're not in good position. Every smoker will tell you they enjoy smoking; but for how many month were they spitting, getting headaches and little nausea. When I left tobacco a couple of years ago, I did this exercise : to be honest with myself, like a lot of teenagers, I was doing everything to smoke to give myself a style and to impress my buddies, reality is that I hated it. But I sticked to it and managed to become a real smoker. Nicotine tricked myself to get hooked and every ciggie became good, the one when you wake up until the last one before going to sleep. haha. Way to go! Like a real champion.

Now, I commit to quit porn. I enjoy sex like everyone else does. Can I say I enjoy porn? Thing is : I usually pmo to avoid bad situations, relieve stress. In that way, I escape life trough porn, which causes me harm. Porn is shit.



6
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 18, 2017, 05:44:12 AM »
Week 2, day 14

I'm actually doing lots of sports. I know it helps a lot with the sleep disorder I developed but I'm convinced pmo is the root of the problem. If anyone is struggling with the same issue, I'll just say I had more 8 hours night int the past two weeks than I had since the beginning of the year until I stopped pmo.

I'll begin week three tomorrow. I've been there less than 5 times in my life. The pattern is good. I struggled a little in the last few days but I managed to stay on track. No arousal, cut the fantasies, avoid in all cases escalation, get in touch emotionally​ and physically with my girl.

What about fantasizing of your own spouse? Did anyone here experienced this? I'm​ wondering, by doing so, in a way, you're focussing on the right direction. Is it playing with fire?


7
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 16, 2017, 07:01:00 PM »
Week 2,

I'm struggling to keep fantaisies out of my head.

8
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 15, 2017, 05:28:26 AM »
Week 2, day 10

I beated the first try. I got to 9 days before I relapsed. I'm now at 10 and looking forward to pursue a life free of this habit.

What really changed is the no arousal method. Like I said in a previous post, I you try to quit smoking eating nicotine gum, you're still addict. The day you won't feel king kong, you'll hit a pack of cigarettes. It's about the same for pmo, I you fantasize on everything that jiggles and let your mind hook to it, you're basically signing a contract to get your way back. 

I'm having morning woods but I'm not fapping. On first try, I was m but not mo. It was mentally unmanageable and my balls ended up hurting bad after 2 days. It's like a machine on production. When you activate it, it produces, someting is going to be outputted. So don't activate the machine.

9
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 13, 2017, 06:46:30 AM »
Week 2,

This past week, I had 3 nights with more than 8 hours of sleep. This by itself is a victory. In the past year, where my porn habit has been the worst in 20 years, I was having 3 insomnia ( between 1 and 4 hour of sleep)  per weeks and usually, the other nights are between 5 and 7 hours of sleep.

When I wake up fully refreshed and charged, it's one of the best feeling I can experience on a daily basis.

10
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 12, 2017, 07:24:06 PM »
And now what with the friday evening, I feel like fapping just because it's the end of the week.

I've landed on this page. There is few options :
1-he holds the truth
2-he has the addiction and cannot admit it
3-he does not understand the process of addiction
4-the porn industry sponsors him

when he says : "The past hundred years of advance in sexual medicine tells us that masturbation is very, very healthy", I guess streaming porn is available since 100 years. I strongly believe I saw more tits and pussies than all of my ancestors since cro magnon man exists. I don't think this behavior and this access is healthy.

when he says : "The NoFap folks regurgitate a lot of old myths about how refraining from masturbation helps them to be more energetic, more sexual, more virile, and more manly. That’s a little sad." When I fap 10 times in one day to avoid some situation, I physically have no energy the day after. When I don't fap the day before, I feel more energized. I've experienced this countless times. Did he?

He does not believe in ED.

He thinks : "The sex-addiction concept is a belief system, not a diagnosis; it’s not a medically supported concept. The science is abysmal." I've passed whole days fapping instead of acting on what I had to do. I've been fapping 4 days in row multiple times, which prevented me from studying for exams. I've been fapping every day of many months, preferring novelty and new shapes than having intimate moments with my girl.

His proposal induces exactly the state of mind that makes me relapse, fall back in the habit. His words are insidious.

Anyways, fuck what he says, I did not fap tonight and feel happier this way. I don't think being happy and enjoying life is a "medically supported concept". I think making few bucks selling books with this message is a "medically supported concept".

11
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 12, 2017, 09:32:48 AM »
2nd week.

I might have found a possible approach. It just flashed in my mind this morning. Here's the idea : when some shitty moment comes up, instead of trying to understand the emotion and from which need not satisfied it emerges, I avoid it with pmo, cigs, pot, alcohol even sports sometimes.

When I'm feeling something unpleasant, I find it difficult to understand where it comes from. Sometimes, it occurs to me days, weeks or even months after why I was not feeling good. Bizarre, I've got great emotional intelligence understanding others, but an awful one understanding myself. I grew in a family were we do not share thoughts nor feelings. We share results, and it pretty much ends there. There's no real open communication and we're not really listening each other. We share tons of superficial things and gees we're judging what others are doing, saying. I guess my inability to express my state of mind directly and clearly comes in part from that education. I was always taught to neglect sadness. I think that's the root of the problem.

Here's a proposal of framework when bad feelings occur :
  • let it be 
  • do not fight it back
  • somewhat contemplate it, accept it
  • try to understand what need is not met
  • I should not confront or avoid the pain but somehow react accordingly on a constructive level, which means working with the pain.
  • Then the action closes the need of the pmo addiction

hm, let's see if this mindset works

12
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 11, 2017, 07:02:18 PM »
It has been a rough day.

Now, I feel like shit. Easy path would be to simply pmo for hours. I gets my brain off and I wouldn't feel this shitty feeling. Now I'm here alone, struggling with this feeling of shit. It may be depression. But I still do sports, do my every day tasks, I'm still hungry of course and I've got plenty of energy in the morning. So I'm sure it will pass by.

Thing is, how the fuck do I deal with this. For 15 years, I used to avoid this feeling with pmo. A couple of years ago, it was pmo and alcohol. Before that, it was pmo, alcohol and cigarettes. Over the years, I've managed to cut the tobacco, then the alcohol. I never had alcoholic problems, but still, by popping a beer every day for years, I was a  functional individual, but I needed this little fix every day. It has not been a hustle to quit but it was there.

Now pmo. At this moment, I feel I'm at the core of the problem. When I felt depressed, instead of dealing with it, I used to avoid it. And now, the big question is how do I deal with it. I do not have the answer.

I know the reason behind this feeling. I'm just searching for work and I find it to be awfully boring. I've got those million questions in my head when searching. I feel overwhelmed by all of the information and the projections I make. I might be quite analytical but I'm also amazingly intuitive. Decrypting job descriptions and projecting myself is eating me away. I end up feeling empty, things don't move rapidly and the worst thing to do is to stay in my head, it leads to this feeling of depression. This paragraph answers the why.

Ten years ago, when I was an undergrad student, damn I struggled with this same shit but in different context. It was the same feeling. When I saw all the work I had to do to prepare for the exams and to submit the projects, I was just overwhelmed. I was missing confidence, and I was not sure I had sufficient intelligence to get through it. I know now I was just find, like most of the others. I remember having so much work to do and the best response I could find was to skip class, stay home and pmo. At least, streaming porn was not that available by that time. I had to download shitty little vids. Anyways, I remember I burnt many days in a row doing so. It's coherent saying pmo affected my grades. I can imagine how rough it must be now for the 20+ years old undergrads having access to streaming porn while having to study. Best advice I can give is to form study groups. It forces the social and takes you out of room.

Now how the fuck do I deal with those emotions of boredom, overwhelming, felling stupid or useless and depression. I want the answer and I'm gonna fight for it. I'm not under those emotions constantly, must I say.

To truly eradicate any kind of addictions, I must find the healthy way to deal with those moments. At the beginning, at 13 or 14, it begun with jerking, then came cigarettes, then came pot, then cam other drugs, then came dial up porn, then came alcohol, then came high speed porn, then came streaming porn. For me, all of those are ways to avoid boredom, stress, anxiety and depression. I took them out of my life one by one, but pmo is still in the landscape. Today, I realize I might have compensated with pmo when I stopped tobacco some years ago. I was anxious, I smoked. I was stressed, I smoked. I was bored, I smoked.  I managed to quit the cigarette, but I did not managed to deal with the underlying emotions.


 

13
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 11, 2017, 04:49:35 AM »
Day 6,

On the porn stuff level, I'm doing find. If I sum the first round and this one, it's been 15 days since the beginning. Round two is much easier.

On the professional side of my life, I'm having tough times. I really need every atom of energy I can spare, I consider quitting pmo as a main thing I can do.

I just had a terrible night and guess what? It's better sleep than when I used to pmo. I've managed to get some 6 hours of straight sleep. Even if I was something anxious when going to bed, I was able to fall asleep. There was lots of noise by the window and it pissed me off. I do appreciate the shift of behavior I've put in place. 20 days ago, I would've simply turned the laptop on. It almost did not cross my mind yesterday and when it did, I applied the : notice the thought, understand where it comes from, and tell it to fuck off.


14
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 10, 2017, 05:03:29 AM »
Day 5

It's a whole other game when your dick is not leading. Yesterday night, I had few hours by my own. When this kind of free time was available before trying to reboot, I used to edge for hours, maximizing every minute.

Here an introspect of what happened yesterday:

Since I'have prevented the escalation of thoughts, I was not on a bonner crusade and my balls were not  screaming. I think this is fundamental to overcome the habit: do not escalate. It's like giving nicotine patches to some dude wanting to quit smoking. He'll keep the addiction. For sure he won't smoke for a few days or even months, but he's putting all chances on his side to fall back when he'll have a bad moment.The good of it is that he'll change some habits, but the worst one will stay. That' one of the many teaching of Allen Carr. When you quit, you must quit because you know you don't like it, you must not quit with the feeling you're letting behind you something you like. Nicotine is one little monster feeding the bigger one : your thoughts.

Then came the urge to watch porn. It came few times during the evening. When some particular urge peaked, I remembered it's the addiction fully expressing itself. This process lasted seconds. I could feel some automated part of my thoughts intensively wanting to obey the addiction. Guess what: my dick was not leading but my calm and resolute mission.  Then I switched back to whatever was I was doing.

Now the challenge is to reinforce this state of mind.


15
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 09, 2017, 09:57:43 AM »
What came to my mind this morning is the following : ok for the mindset to cut the immediate triggers and escalation : sexy girls in ads, sexy girls in real life, fantasy and then porn.

Now the question is the following. I know there are deeper triggers :
  • when I'm bored by life. I don't mean bored at home because of doing nothing. I mean bored because everything around on a particular day has no sense. that's one big trigger. when I pmo in this case, I feel terribly empty after
  • when I don't get or don't understand something. I then try hard, and sometimes, I won't have the feeling I get it. emotions become unstable. porn is a great way to avoid this shitty feeling
  • when I'm too stressed. When tension is there for a whole day, then porn is a great way to alleviate my brain. and that's a vicious one because the more I edge longer, the better I feel good longer, stress is just disappearing
  • when I'll have a good shot and score at whatever, then porn is a great way to congratulate myself

Avoidance is almost a common variable here.

Analyzing it in another way, it makes me think about alcoholism some one told me about : when you're sad you drink, when you're happy you drink, when you have a hard day you drink, when someone ain't nice with you you drink, when you're with friends you drink, when it's nice and hot outside you drink, when it's cold and rainy outside you drink, ... . Addiction works in this silly way, everything becomes a good excuse.

I've quit smoking many years ago. I noticed I was eating more junk and drinking more beer to compensate. I was also on pmo much more. The porn habit then aggravated.

So I understand what I must do now is to find a way to handle difficult moments in a healthy way. Anyone has good article about this topic?

16
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 09, 2017, 09:36:59 AM »
Day 4

Thanks for the words gazz!

On the first try to reboot which lasted 9 days, going through day 3 was some kind of victory and I was constantly thinking about it. Until day 7, everything was fine, felt great, even quite vigorous and i was fantasizing a little in my head.Then days 8 and 9 went unmanageable because I lost control on how I was fantasizing. In the first days, I could switch my thoughts to something else after letting my mind fantasize. But in the last days (8,9), mental porn was all over my brain, couldn't handle and my balls were sort of hurting.

Now, I'm on the 2nd try. I went through the first 3 days easily I must say. I tried the no arousal method, everything went fluidly. I'm not thinking about it, not fantasizing and I'm applying the state of mind I proposed two post earlier.

17
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 08, 2017, 04:54:33 AM »
Day 3,

The links Nikola provided two posts above made me and still make me think. First attempt didn't work because in the last days, I was mentally fantasizing. It became unmanageable.

So here the mindset for this second try :
  • when I'll see sexy curvy women in all of those stupid ads
    • identify the thought
    • do not hang on to it, just let it go
    • mentally tell the person who invented the ad to fuck off, in all cases I don't buy their stupid stuff
  • when I'll see sexy yoga pants bumping into my face and walking all over the streets
    • identify the thought
    • do not hang on to it, just let it go
    • mentally tell those bunch of curves they won't have power over me
  • when I'll fantsize
    • identity the thought and let it go
    • understand the addiction is on it's way
  • I won't watch porn
    • when the urge comes
    • identify the thought
    • breath
    • understand it's only the addiction following its pathways in your brain
    • let it go, and tell all those persons working in the porn industry to fuck off

All of this crap makes me fantasize. Not living in the real world. Stay grounded, be in the action, not in my head.

Last thing : if I wanna have sex, go with my girl. She'll be happy and I'll be too.



18
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 05, 2017, 06:28:23 PM »
Thanks Nikola for the links. They're worth reading a few times. I relate to the arousal stuff. I dramatically stopped porn and the circuits in my head continue to fantasize and I constantly think of women. I'll explore the no arousal method. Has it worked for any of you around?

Truth is I've been quite confident and happy in the first 9 days until I relapsed yesterday. Today has been awful. I feel like shit. Tomorrow will be better.

19
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 05, 2017, 04:43:33 AM »
Day 1,

I feel ok but disappointed that I have to start all over again. Maybe less motivated, with less hunger but I know it will come back.

How do you guys deal with blue balls?! After reading around the web, I understand now what happened. Actually, some people really see the blue color but it was not my case. I guess I was at the point just before it. The main reason if having a sustained erection for too long. As it came again and again throughout the day, more intensively in the last two days, yesterday night was unbearable. There was too much pressure built up I suppose. I'll introduce real sex in the second round. It's the only common sense solution I can think of.

I don't understand : in the past, I've edged for hours and I was never feeling pain after. Yesterday, I could barely walk, result of sporadic erections here and there during the day. Is it because when I used to edge, I ended with o, relieving the pressure? Which I was abstaining in the last 9 days.

Also, I need to find a solution to deal with all those kind of sexy advertisement; they are huge triggers for me. And afterwards, I'm under constant arousal because of the way women usually dress. Thinking of it lucidly, those two things contribute to build the urge and it leads me to porn. Anyway,  I really don't know how to deal with this constant arousal in the real world.

Anyway. Shall I begin to climb the hill again!


20
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 04, 2017, 07:52:40 PM »
and how I'm I supposed to deal with blue balls. it hurts. i mean it.

I've been having a massive laugh attack here. we,re just a bunch of good hearted guys. We,re putting tons of efforts in trying to not jerk, and then it becomes a mission so important to us, and we think of it at each freakin minute of the day. and then we get blue balls out of trying so hard. when you think about it, the scene is absurd. i read some post elsewhere, the guy went to see the doctor,  he was afraid for his prostate. and then some other dude responds to him that the doctor is having the same problem. and then an other one called a fapping astronaut told him to put ice on his balls. then the initial dude says that after a while with blue balls without ejaculation, the pain goes to his rectum and then there's new "blue rectum" phenomenon. even google has something to say about blue rectum

How in centuries I'm I supposed to get to 90 days. I mean how the fuck did my great grand father do....   no stupid bra marketing everywhere, no hardware tools advertisement with curvy women out of nowhere showing theirs assets. this crap led me to blue balls. plus girls are dressing in a way to make you drool. everything leads to streaming. it's like putting chocolate cakes under the nose of a kid and asking him to not crave. 

i relapsed. even walking was painful. i feel my brain is a printed circuit, with p all over the board.

i,ll get back to day 1 tomorrow. i,ll stick to the journal. but i can't understand how to not get blue balls and get through the 9th day.

21
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 04, 2017, 03:22:22 PM »
I'm fighting my demons.

22
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 04, 2017, 04:23:56 AM »
Day 9

I'm really not a depressed kind of guy, but like everyone, I''ve got good and bad phases. I fear the bad phase, where it's more likely for me to relapse. I've contained so much sexual energy in 9 days, if feel like it's a time bomb! I must breath through my balls.

23
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 03, 2017, 04:04:01 AM »
Day 8.

I'm happy to make it this far. I think the key for me is to not fight the urge. It puts me in a relaxed state of mind. With this state of mind, I'm able to take distances with the urge, and then it's easier to not take action. When I fight the urge, I become anxious. I don't get shit done when I'm anxious.

My life is quite dynamic these days. I'm seeing lots of different people, lots of meetings. Plus I'm having daily hour walks. All of this aerates me of course.

24
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 02, 2017, 05:31:51 AM »
Day 7,

Sleep improved greatly on this 7 days journey. I'm still waking up between 4 and 5, but since I do not watch p before bed, I sleep earlier, I'm less nervous and I always had 6 to 7 hours of sleep for each of those nights. Revelation.

Now, if or when insomnia hits back, I must accept it resiliently and most of all acknowledge that this no pmo process has improved my overall sleeping habit. I must not pmo to avoid the frustration. Accept the frustration, meditate, read some comics, avoid screens. Remember that porn has brought shit to my life.

Here's one of the thoughts I've been having lately : no pmo means living and experiencing life a whole more. My feelings are sharper and I appreciate more connecting with others. I feel this sort of energy in my balls and it fuels me up. In the last 15 years, I've experienced many few days reboot, but I've been a whole lot more in pmo phases. I know the benefits of not pmoying. But the instant before relapsing, some part of my brain is saying that this is bullshit. I'm wondering what would be an adequate response to this when it will happen. When it happens, I'm in a confident state but also nervous and something anxious and then I relapse. Let this state be, sit down and meditate.

Weird thing : I'm also a more loving partner for my wife and a more loving father. I enjoy more holding in my arms those two important persons in my life.

Wtf is this emotion thing all about?! Does someone around here feel more positive emotions when rebooting? What are the facts behind this? I've been documenting, reading, watching resources all around, but I do not remember information on that precise topic. Someone does?

You all have a great day

25
Ages 30-39 / Re: Come on pat, reboot!
« on: May 01, 2017, 05:14:11 PM »
It has been a successful day 6 so far!

Pages: [1] 2