Believe I have severe PIED. Feeling desperate.

MOTM1989

Member
This post will be long, but I appreciate anyone who reads it and shares their thoughts about whether recovery is possible.  After several months of reading about NoFap, Rebooting, and PIED I?ve decided to share my own story.  I?m writing this out of desperation because I feel like I?m a more extreme example. I?m 31 with very little experience. Like many of you I began PMO in my early teens and this has continued up until now. I got into some fetish stuff as well which seems to be bad news for the recovery process based on the research I?ve done. I first began noticing erection problems in high school. I wondered if I caused some sort of physical damage with my fapping techniques. On a couple occasions, I went to a doctor and was told everything was okay. I?ve always been extremely anxious, had poor self esteem, and a bit of a hypochondriac, so I listened to them despite my erection quality getting weaker and my morning woods declining (more on morning wood later).

In my early 20s I again attempted to go to the doctor, had testing done which cleared. Was then sent to a urologist who also didn?t believe anything was wrong physically. At this time I still had weak morning wood but at times I struggled to get it up even with porn. He gave me two ED pills to try out and said if they worked it was likely that it was only in my head. I was single and had no confidence to date at the time, so I took them and watched porn, still completely unaware that this could be the problem. They worked fairly well and my concerns went away. I continued my bad habits.

As my 20s came and went, my morning wood became non existent and my erections we?re about the same. Not very strong and I had even seemed to train myself to have PE because of the porn. To this day it doesn?t take me to get off once I start tapping. I feel like I also lost some sensitivity.  A few relationship opportunities came by as well, but I ultimately ended things early because of the elephant in the room. I was scared to death of being unable to perform. STILL completely unaware that porn could be the issue. I just thought I was a freak and I was broken (and my fear is that I am by now). I would hold almost need to hold a kegel to keep my erection at a ?level? angle to prevent it from hanging. I would occasionally take breaks from fapping that would last maybe 2-3 weeks, but I was still watching porn. Sometimes this would slightly improve my erection quality, but not much and still no morning wood. And for the most part, I spent these years still edging away and feeling hopeless but somehow delusional enough to believe everything would be okay at the same time.

Fast forward to this past summer. The person who raised me got very sick and it sent me into a period of reflection. I decided to research my problem again which is when I FINALLY discovered this community. I was determined to reboot. During this time, I met the perfect girl.  We got along so well and she was extremely hot. If you saw her you?d never guess she?d be with a person like me- writing this type of post and in this situation.  She was aggressive about wanting to date me. I tried to juggle rebooting with delaying things with her.  I made it to 40 days Nofap (30 without viewing porn at all). Right before our first real date, my parents condition worsened and I relapsed out of anxiety/depression. The next night we had our date and it was perfect. My penis even showed a little life when we kissed. She sat across from me at a booth and put her legs on my lap and I felt a slight reaction. Suddenly I didn?t feel so bad about relapsing. A watched porn maybe one more time in the following days because I?m an idiot, but we hung out again a week later. Then, twice that week, I actually woke up with morning wood. Still pretty weak , but the first time in forever I can remember having morning wood. This gave me hope and confidence. Things with her were going well- relationships never held my interest but this was so much different.  I?d never felt anything like this. Another week went by without any morning wood and I started feeling anxious, so my like a moron I decided to test my erection with porn. Which led to edging and while I didn?t fap, this probably set me back.

Then my parent passed away. This lead to more relapsing. I knew I had probably reset the clock on any progress I made and I wouldn?t be ready for her anytime soon. Opportunities for sex came and I had to find ways to avoid it. One night we had drinks and came back to my place. She changed into some of my clothes and I saw her perfect body, and we kissed, touched, etc and I had no reaction. Luckily she was very drunk so I was able to play things off a bit and suggest we wait without it getting awkward.  But my inability to get an erection in that moment crushed me. Performance anxiety is undoubtedly a factor as well because I knew I had relapsed too often to be ready. I remember my heart racing because I was worried about being embarrassed and letting her down. But I should have been able to get hard. She ended up barely remembering this night, but I felt like things were never the same. We ended up going out separate ways for other reasons early last month, but I can?t help but assume this also played a role. She probably thought I was lame.

Since then I?ve relapsed a few more times. I always end up getting extreme anxiety over whether or not recovery is possible, even though I?ve come nowhere near 90 days. The anxiety seems to cause me to relapse more than anything. Or I?ll think of her and get sad and feel hopeless. I?m on day 4 nofap. Last night I was feeling optimistic and reading through Reboot Nation, looking for success stories from people as bad as me when I came across a post from someone saying that we?re delusional to think recovery is possible for everyone. The post had examples of people who have been in hard mode for years with no success. A wave of doubt came over me and I watched porn again. Although I turned away and didn?t fap, I consider this a relapse because it seems you can?t expect results if you are viewing porn - fapping or not. I barely slept last night and made the decision to finally share my story. Somehow I?m certain I won?t relapse again. I?ve hit the lowest point imaginable.

Obviously my first question is, do you think recovery is possible?

I?ve come across a few examples of people like me (limited experience, long term use) where they saw morning wood return after years. I?ve also seen examples of people going years with no progress despite not even peaking. They have no morning wood. This is honestly my biggest way of measuring progress. I can?t date anytime soon because I?m still recovering from the events of the last few months. I think a return of MW will help my confidence tremendously.  I should add that I?m actually pretty fit and workout often. Obviously staying away from porn is the key, but I?m considering taking supplements to help speed things up a bit. (Saw Palmetto, L-Arg, Ginko, Ginseng, And Maca all seem to be common suggestions.

I?ve also researched hard flaccid and believe I may have this, so I?ve been doing some exercises centered around improving pelvic floor function just to be safe.

I go back and forth between optimism and doubt. My few episodes of morning wood after my 30 day streak ended are what gave me some hope. And when I returned to porn initially I actually felt that my erection quality was improving a bit, although not consistently.

Needless to say I feel pretty pathetic and it took a lot for me to finally post this, so I appreciate any feedback you?d be willing to provide and I?d be happy to answer any questions you might have for me.
 

Jakob_55

Member
I definitely feel recovery is a possibility.  It sounded like you also made some great progress by getting morning wood and having some reaction when you are with that girl.  Thats a great sign.  I am in a similar experience where Im suffering from PIED with minimal experience.  I feel next time you're in a relationship you just got to be honest with the girl.  Tell her what's going on and how it makes you feel, and how you feel about her.  If she cares about you she will support you.  If not then you just got to move on and find a girl that will.  It may seem impossible to recover, but even if there is a slight possibility of it working, isn't it worth a shot.  You deserve to recover and be able to succeed and feel that connection with a girl that you love.  I feel you got to at least try.  Porn is just a momentary fix to get yourself off.  You have to go hard mode, 90 days no porn, no fapping, don't even touch your dick or watch girls jerking.  Experience the death of your junk that is the flatline and get your erections back.  You deserve it king.
 
MOTM1989 said:
This post will be long, but I appreciate anyone who reads it and shares their thoughts about whether recovery is possible.  After several months of reading about NoFap, Rebooting, and PIED I?ve decided to share my own story.  I?m writing this out of desperation because I feel like I?m a more extreme example. I?m 31 with very little experience. Like many of you I began PMO in my early teens and this has continued up until now. I got into some fetish stuff as well which seems to be bad news for the recovery process based on the research I?ve done. I first began noticing erection problems in high school. I wondered if I caused some sort of physical damage with my fapping techniques. On a couple occasions, I went to a doctor and was told everything was okay. I?ve always been extremely anxious, had poor self esteem, and a bit of a hypochondriac, so I listened to them despite my erection quality getting weaker and my morning woods declining (more on morning wood later).

In my early 20s I again attempted to go to the doctor, had testing done which cleared. Was then sent to a urologist who also didn?t believe anything was wrong physically. At this time I still had weak morning wood but at times I struggled to get it up even with porn. He gave me two ED pills to try out and said if they worked it was likely that it was only in my head. I was single and had no confidence to date at the time, so I took them and watched porn, still completely unaware that this could be the problem. They worked fairly well and my concerns went away. I continued my bad habits.

As my 20s came and went, my morning wood became non existent and my erections we?re about the same. Not very strong and I had even seemed to train myself to have PE because of the porn. To this day it doesn?t take me to get off once I start tapping. I feel like I also lost some sensitivity.  A few relationship opportunities came by as well, but I ultimately ended things early because of the elephant in the room. I was scared to death of being unable to perform. STILL completely unaware that porn could be the issue. I just thought I was a freak and I was broken (and my fear is that I am by now). I would hold almost need to hold a kegel to keep my erection at a ?level? angle to prevent it from hanging. I would occasionally take breaks from fapping that would last maybe 2-3 weeks, but I was still watching porn. Sometimes this would slightly improve my erection quality, but not much and still no morning wood. And for the most part, I spent these years still edging away and feeling hopeless but somehow delusional enough to believe everything would be okay at the same time.

Fast forward to this past summer. The person who raised me got very sick and it sent me into a period of reflection. I decided to research my problem again which is when I FINALLY discovered this community. I was determined to reboot. During this time, I met the perfect girl.  We got along so well and she was extremely hot. If you saw her you?d never guess she?d be with a person like me- writing this type of post and in this situation.  She was aggressive about wanting to date me. I tried to juggle rebooting with delaying things with her.  I made it to 40 days Nofap (30 without viewing porn at all). Right before our first real date, my parents condition worsened and I relapsed out of anxiety/depression. The next night we had our date and it was perfect. My penis even showed a little life when we kissed. She sat across from me at a booth and put her legs on my lap and I felt a slight reaction. Suddenly I didn?t feel so bad about relapsing. A watched porn maybe one more time in the following days because I?m an idiot, but we hung out again a week later. Then, twice that week, I actually woke up with morning wood. Still pretty weak , but the first time in forever I can remember having morning wood. This gave me hope and confidence. Things with her were going well- relationships never held my interest but this was so much different.  I?d never felt anything like this. Another week went by without any morning wood and I started feeling anxious, so my like a moron I decided to test my erection with porn. Which led to edging and while I didn?t fap, this probably set me back.

Then my parent passed away. This lead to more relapsing. I knew I had probably reset the clock on any progress I made and I wouldn?t be ready for her anytime soon. Opportunities for sex came and I had to find ways to avoid it. One night we had drinks and came back to my place. She changed into some of my clothes and I saw her perfect body, and we kissed, touched, etc and I had no reaction. Luckily she was very drunk so I was able to play things off a bit and suggest we wait without it getting awkward.  But my inability to get an erection in that moment crushed me. Performance anxiety is undoubtedly a factor as well because I knew I had relapsed too often to be ready. I remember my heart racing because I was worried about being embarrassed and letting her down. But I should have been able to get hard. She ended up barely remembering this night, but I felt like things were never the same. We ended up going out separate ways for other reasons early last month, but I can?t help but assume this also played a role. She probably thought I was lame.

Since then I?ve relapsed a few more times. I always end up getting extreme anxiety over whether or not recovery is possible, even though I?ve come nowhere near 90 days. The anxiety seems to cause me to relapse more than anything. Or I?ll think of her and get sad and feel hopeless. I?m on day 4 nofap. Last night I was feeling optimistic and reading through Reboot Nation, looking for success stories from people as bad as me when I came across a post from someone saying that we?re delusional to think recovery is possible for everyone. The post had examples of people who have been in hard mode for years with no success. A wave of doubt came over me and I watched porn again. Although I turned away and didn?t fap, I consider this a relapse because it seems you can?t expect results if you are viewing porn - fapping or not. I barely slept last night and made the decision to finally share my story. Somehow I?m certain I won?t relapse again. I?ve hit the lowest point imaginable.

Obviously my first question is, do you think recovery is possible?

I?ve come across a few examples of people like me (limited experience, long term use) where they saw morning wood return after years. I?ve also seen examples of people going years with no progress despite not even peaking. They have no morning wood. This is honestly my biggest way of measuring progress. I can?t date anytime soon because I?m still recovering from the events of the last few months. I think a return of MW will help my confidence tremendously.  I should add that I?m actually pretty fit and workout often. Obviously staying away from porn is the key, but I?m considering taking supplements to help speed things up a bit. (Saw Palmetto, L-Arg, Ginko, Ginseng, And Maca all seem to be common suggestions.

I?ve also researched hard flaccid and believe I may have this, so I?ve been doing some exercises centered around improving pelvic floor function just to be safe.

I go back and forth between optimism and doubt. My few episodes of morning wood after my 30 day streak ended are what gave me some hope. And when I returned to porn initially I actually felt that my erection quality was improving a bit, although not consistently.

Needless to say I feel pretty pathetic and it took a lot for me to finally post this, so I appreciate any feedback you?d be willing to provide and I?d be happy to answer any questions you might have for me.

First of all, congratulations for making this step and tell your story, not everyone is so brave to face the problem and make the move.
Answering your question: yes, a recovery is possible but it's not just starting NoFap and take some supplements, it's a hard path that you need to walk, most people think that only by doing NoFap they'll recover, but what you need is to find the root that is making you suffer from PIED, you said that you've relapsed so many times, do you relapse with good quality erections or aren't they so hard?
 

MOTM1989

Member
Normally my erection quality even with fapping didn?t the greatest. Usually not good. But if I make it a few weeks and relapse the quality can be better I suppose. But as I mentioned I also seem to have trained myself to have PE. I can get off pretty quick unfortunately.
 

MOTM1989

Member
Jakob_55 said:
I definitely feel recovery is a possibility.  It sounded like you also made some great progress by getting morning wood and having some reaction when you are with that girl.  Thats a great sign.  I am in a similar experience where Im suffering from PIED with minimal experience.  I feel next time you're in a relationship you just got to be honest with the girl.  Tell her what's going on and how it makes you feel, and how you feel about her.  If she cares about you she will support you.  If not then you just got to move on and find a girl that will.  It may seem impossible to recover, but even if there is a slight possibility of it working, isn't it worth a shot.  You deserve to recover and be able to succeed and feel that connection with a girl that you love.  I feel you got to at least try.  Porn is just a momentary fix to get yourself off.  You have to go hard mode, 90 days no porn, no fapping, don't even touch your dick or watch girls jerking.  Experience the death of your junk that is the flatline and get your erections back.  You deserve it king.

Thanks man I appreciate it. I?m praying for the best. I?m done looking for good I just hope I can somehow have a quick recovery after having the symptoms for so long. And I did get a reaction with her the first night even though I had relapsed. But I didn?t put together another streak like that so when it came time for a chance at the real thing I didn?t have a reaction at all. And her body is perfect. I was so mad at myself. But I need to really reboot probably this time and I know I will. Fingers crossed that I recover quickly. Wishing you a  fast recovery as well man.
 
MOTM1989 said:
Normally my erection quality even with fapping didn?t the greatest. Usually not good. But if I make it a few weeks and relapse the quality can be better I suppose. But as I mentioned I also seem to have trained myself to have PE. I can get off pretty quick unfortunately.

That's pretty normal, many men train themselves since childhood to get off quickly not to be caught by their parents, sometimes these problems come from self-esteem issues, how are you feeling with yourself?
 

MOTM1989

Member
I mean self esteem has never been the greatest, but it?s generally not something I think about while fapping. And there was a time when my erection quality was good but like I said I began noticing issue as early as high school. Doctors said nothing was wrong. I never mentioned porn use though. Morning woods declining and eventually going away really made me feel like something was wrong. Like I said in my original post it?s been a very long time since I?ve regularly had those.
 
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