PIED or ED? How to tell?

linton170

Member
After many streaks (and relapses) under my belt, I feel like stepping out of the battlefield for a second and do some introspection. My apologies for the lengthy post.

First, some backstory; I will try to be as concise and objective as possible.

I am a 34 yo healthy man who has been suffering from ED for as far as my first sexual encounter some 10 years ago. It started when I lost my erection right before penetration, for no apparent reason, as I was hard during foreplay. I didn't give it much thought back then but as the years went by, the problem started getting bigger, more present in my mind while I kept accumulating the break-ups. Didn't know what exactly was the issue until I discovered NoFap 5 years ago.

Although I related to the concept, I didn't find that I was that big of a porn consumer. Even masturbation which I started when I was about 12 wasn't that compulsive, although I had my binging moments, it wasn't as extreme as some of the stories I came across about guys nutting up to twelve times in one night. As for porn, nothing hardcore or disturbing either, just people enjoying intimacy, with a penchant for homemade, amateur, vocal intercourse--not sure why, but I find emotional connection an important component, and more arousing then just two strangers going at it. That's why I wasn't sure my ED was porn-induced, but I still felt hopeful and started reading more and more about it. I also decided to take action starting with my lifestyle and habits--quit smoking, drinking, started eating clean and working out.

I even hit a 4 month streak once, I decided to put myself out there and go on a date. It was disappointing, and I ended up masturbating in the bathroom as that was all I wanted to do, even when this person, even though my penis was limp, I felt so turned-on mentally, but it was like my body wasn't responding, just that needed to masturbate so bad. Whenever I feel turned-on, when I see something sexually arousing, I don't get hard, but rather get a signal from my brain ordering me to go home, put on porn and start masturbating. During my previous dates as well, even when being intimate with someone, wanking with a flaccid penis was what my brain kept telling me to do. Also, during the 4 months streak, there was some peeking, fantasizing, sexting and edging during my 4 month streak--was that what led to no result? During NoFap, do I absolutely need to completely abstain from touching myself, fantasizing, sexting, peeking? Do I date during NoFap or do I have to wait? For how long?

Long story short, I have been NoFapping and relapsing since then. 1 month, 1 week, 2 weeks, then back to porn and masturbation. Porn alone sometimes makes me hard, during the first exposure, then I eventually lose the erection even if I keep watch, and would need to masturbate to get hard again, sometimes quicker than other timer. Same for masturbation, I need to watch porn for it to be really pleasurable.

I do get nocturnal erections, especially during the few  first dates of a Nofap streak, and my morning woods are so hard it sometimes feels like I have a log entrapped between my legs. But the funny thing is when I start to masturbate, it's like there is no sensation. I am in my bed, with a strong hard-on, but I feel more pressure than pleasure. I get more feeling of pleasure when I'm masturbating with a 70%/semi-erection while watching porn; I get really hard at the time of climax, then I go flaccid, almost immediately. Could it be that my brain got used to feeling pleasure only with a semi-erect penis than when I am fully hard?

I know I am supposed to visit a doctor, and I have, but I've been given pills and I am trying to know if there's another solution as I see pills as a last resort. I also happen to be gay, so that makes opening up about it to another person not really a comfortable subject for me. I get so frustrated when I listen to my friends talking about their sex life--they watch porn, masturbate, spend hours scrolling down booty profiles on Instagram yet still manage to perform and enjoy sex with a partner. With my dates, the simple fact of touching them makes them aroused and they get so hard and horny; I feel turned-on too but apart from tingles down my waist, my dick doesn't respond. Maybe the shadow of an erection during foreplay, then poof! Sometimes even when I masturbate, I do it with a flaccid penis, it's like my mind and my dick are in two separate places.

Now, is NoFap the answer for me? Do I have PIED? Or is it simply ED and porn isn't responsible. I am still facing huge issues and honestly my life is falling apart, and I don't know where to go, who to ask, or how to muster up the courage to continue. I thought of telling you my story, my fellow fighters, in the hopes that I can get help, or advice or just the honest confirmation that things are going to get better regarding my erectile dysfunction.

Thank you for reading
 

anubu0

Active Member
Hey linton. Thank you for sharing your story along with your struggles.

In my two cents, you have PIED. If you've gone to the doctor and your testosterone levels are normal, do not have veinous leakage, and are healthy overall, a sexual dysfunction is most likely occurring in your brain. You said that your previous/longest reboot cycle was 4 months, correct? You should allow up to 2 years to fully recover from these types of issues, don't feel frustrated if your dick feels lifeless and as if no progress is being made because in truth, a lot of progress is being made. Your brain is rewiring and it needs time to heal. Hope this helps.
 

mousemat1

Well-Known Member
If you can get an erection to porn, but not to the real thing, then you most likely have PIED. If you can't even get hard to porn, then there is probably another underlying health condition.
 

linton170

Member
anubu0 said:
Hey linton. Thank you for sharing your story along with your struggles.

In my two cents, you have PIED. If you've gone to the doctor and your testosterone levels are normal, do not have veinous leakage, and are healthy overall, a sexual dysfunction is most likely occurring in your brain. You said that your previous/longest reboot cycle was 4 months, correct? You should allow up to 2 years to fully recover from these types of issues, don't feel frustrated if your dick feels lifeless and as if no progress is being made because in truth, a lot of progress is being made. Your brain is rewiring and it needs time to heal. Hope this helps.

Thank you for your answer. However, I wonder if during these two year (or however long  the reboot takes) I am allowed to put myself out there and "mingle". Is there a period where I should stay away from everything? If so, am I allowed to experiment with pills to kind-of get a head start or no?




mousemat1 said:
If you can get an erection to porn, but not to the real thing, then you most likely have PIED. If you can't even get hard to porn, then there is probably another underlying health condition.


I do get hard with porn, but not for long, it's like a one-time full erection that goes away then masturbation on a semi-erect penis, there right before orgasm full erection again, then it goes away again. The only time I am fully erect and hard is during morning wood/nocturnal erection and pills.
 

mousemat1

Well-Known Member
linton170 said:
I do get hard with porn, but not for long, it's like a one-time full erection that goes away then masturbation on a semi-erect penis, there right before orgasm full erection again, then it goes away again. The only time I am fully erect and hard is during morning wood/nocturnal erection and pills.

Then in my opinion, this is classic, and severe PIED. I think I can say this with confidence because I got to the point where I was only able to get an erection or half an erection to porn; masturbating with a semi-erection. Just before ejaculation, I'd get a full erection. This happened to me before a previous reboot and I recovered well, only to fall back into porn use again, which is why I'm back here.

We need to give our brains a long rest from porn (actually a permanent rest). I consider my PIED to be severe. I'm approaching 90 days of no porn, no masturbation, and I'm still in a heavy flatline. I've really fried the dopamine receptors! Be patient! Be strong! You will recover! I know because I've recovered in the past. Just don't make the same mistakes as me and fall back into porn use.

Good luck!
 

batman99

Member
I'm not gay, but the rest of the story sounds very similar to my issue. I can get hard to porn but not with a woman. Thank you to the  OP and replies.
 

linton170

Member
batman99 said:
I'm not gay, but the rest of the story sounds very similar to my issue. I can get hard to porn but not with a woman. Thank you to the  OP and replies.

Thank you for answering. Pardon me asking but when you say you recovered, do you mean achieved sexual intercourse with a partner without pills or any other artificial stimulation? How did you know you actually recovered?
 
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