I get morning wood every morning does this rule out ED?

dc6

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Flatlining is not the same as ED. ED is your penis not working properly in sexual situations - or at least being inconsistent. The flatline is a period one goes through during a reboot where libido is non-existent and getting an erection is rare.

Morning erections are not necessarily indicative of anything, but I doubt you're flatlining. ED can still be possible.
 

tk8888

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Morning wood is a sign that your penis is physiologically healthy. It isn't specifically indicative of progress, but a lot of guys do mention getting MW back before they start rewiring well.
 

bzarfas

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dc6 said:
Flatlining is not the same as ED. ED is your penis not working properly in sexual situations - or at least being inconsistent. The flatline is a period one goes through during a reboot where libido is non-existent and getting an erection is rare.

Morning erections are not necessarily indicative of anything, but I doubt you're flatlining. ED can still be possible.
no,
Morning erections are indicative you have good health and any issue you have is mental.
 

Gabe Deem

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@ bzarfas
no,
Morning erections are indicative you have good health and any issue you have is mental.

It appears one can still have a physiological problem in the brain while getting morning wood. In other words, a guy can have PIED and also get morning wood.

Many guys with porn-induced ED who do not have morning wood get checked out with doctors and urologists and are told they are perfectly healthy. Plus they can get an erection just fine with porn. Losing morning wood is one of the most common symptoms of porn induced ED. I did not have morning wood from age 18 to 23 and once I gave up porn my morning wood took 3 months to come back but now I get it consistently.

Some guys morning wood comes back but they still have porn induced ED probably due to sexual conditioning (sensitization), or other deep changes in the brain, possibly in the erection centers in the hypothalamus, but we do not know yet. We know it is not anxiety because they are unable to achieve erection while masturbating without porn, by themselves.

It seems you are very caught up on testosterone and morning wood. The fact is many guys with very low T get erections to porn just fine but just not with a partner. Flipping on porn does not magically give a guy more T to give him a boner. When those guys give up porn almost all report that the reboot works and they once again can get erections to their partner.

T and morning wood are important, but it is clear that many guys with perfectly normal T levels and morning still have PIED. We always encourage everyone to go get checked out to make sure your health is ok, but it is clear that if a man can get it up easily to porn but not a real partner T levels are not the problem.

 

bzarfas

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Gabe Deem said:
It appears one can still have a physiological problem in the brain while getting morning wood. In other words, a guy can have PIED and also get morning wood
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Right, a guy getting morning wood is has heatlhy arteries, likely.  I don"t disagree with that.
I like the term "re-wired" other than "physiologic problem in the brain"  because "rewired" is a much more accurate term.
You wouldn't say, "pavlov's dog's brain has a physiological problem in  his brain which made him salivate whenever he  heard a can opener. Right? Youd say the dogs brain has been rewired(trained) to salivate at the sound of an opener.

So I believe is better to keep the physiological issue(can you get wood) separate from the psychological Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction.  I fear some guys overcoming the one PIED, when they arent all that healthy. (which is why I ask posters for clarification when they say they are, "healthy",(the one post said he was "healthy" and no blood work to show that)


Gabe Deem said:
Many guys with porn-induced ED who do not have morning wood get checked out with doctors and urologists and are told they are perfectly healthy.

what does that mean? what is their T/E ratio? their BMI? HS CRP? how does your 15 minutes with a MD make you draw the conclusion you are healthy.

Gabe Deem said:
Plus they can get an erection just fine with porn. Losing morning wood is one of the most common symptoms of porn induced ED.

Correlation does not imply causation.
Erections are actually quite complex and involve decent function from your cardiovascular, neurological and psychological systems. The psychogenic aspect of an erection almost always plays some role in your hardness factor for several critical reasons.
The human body is an amazing things and porn rewires the brain, as what this site says porn does, so maybe the stimulation of the porn(and increased degree of porn) causes the body to finally get it up/forces the erection. Under natural circumstances(when someone is sleeping, morning wood doesnt come, because the brain+porn isnt exerting the additional stimulation to get it up----or maybe it does, but nost as often.(use a stamp test to see if you have nocturnal wood)

I'd worry if I don't have morning wood, it can lead to my penis becoming fibrous
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2005.00095.x/abstract

Yes, I understand what you are saying, as that's what gary wilson says as well, Im just want more info on are they sure they get get morning wood, and stats n their health. 
http://yourbrainonporn.com/what-experts-tell-guys-suffering-from-ed
http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/healthy-erections

but besides your/garys acedotal notes about what they see, I don't see any reason for the lack of morning wood, the reasons I am aware of, are such things as diet(high fat meal tends to affect erections, diabetes, high BP, obesity, lack of sleep) porn is affecting morning wood(unconcious wood)? 
ok maybe, but does that rule out health issues?  not unless you get them check out

telling me that a brain on porn tends not to get morning wood. interests me and is a great way  to determine PIED is being fixed.
but I'd still recommend looking at the health issue as well, lowT/low T/E ration is a definite canary to heart issues.(artery health) because its proven not getting morning wood is a risk for heart health. a person who is not getting morning wood should find out?
what's your health like??
bodyfat percentage and/or BMI?
total Testosterone level?
T/E ratio?
Estradiol?
HS-CRP?

ED is a canary warning to heart health.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21624550
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/01/30/3678527.htm
Erectile problems can provide early warning of heart disease in apparently healthy men.

did you have heart issues at 18-23?  doubtful, but are people not getting the best results if those numbers arent in check
But erection issues aren't only a problem in the bedroom, there is now strong evidence they are "the canary in the trousers" ? a warning sign you may have high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes or damaged arteries that may increase your risk of heart attacks
http://www.abc.net.au/health/features/stories/2013/08/13/3824571.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/erectile-dysfunction-a-canary-for-heart-disease-20130130-2djm1.html

Gabe Deem said:
I did not have morning wood from age 18 to 23 and once I gave up porn my morning wood took 3 months to come back but now I get it consistently.

Some guys morning wood comes back but they still have porn induced ED probably due to sexual conditioning (sensitization), or other deep changes in the brain, possibly in the erection centers in the hypothalamus, but we do not know yet. We know it is not anxiety because they are unable to achieve erection while masturbating without porn, by themselves.
paraventricular nucleus ?
exactly my point  the penis works when sleeping(morning wood) so if health stats have not changed,I am curious to know why.

"We know it is not anxiety because they are unable to achieve erection while masturbating without porn, "---that sounds like they need the super-stimulation that porn gives them
Gabe Deem said:
It seems you are very caught up on testosterone and morning wood. The fact is many guys with very low T get erections to porn just fine but just not with a partner. Flipping on porn does not magically give a guy more T to give him a boner. When those guys give up porn almost all report that the reboot works and they once again can get erections to their partner.
no, that's not entirely accurate. 
I am aware that lack of morning wood can be a sign of potential poor heart health.  might have little to do with T levels(member, T/E is more relevant).(dont get caught up to think I have tunnel vision, I am simply trying to figure out whats going on)

Gabe Deem said:
T and morning wood are important, but it is clear that many guys with perfectly normal T levels and morning still have PIED. We always encourage everyone to go get checked out to make sure your health is ok, but it is clear that if a man can get it up easily to porn but not a real partner T levels are not the problem.
Im not sure its clear...Why do you say that?
As I noted elsewhere, more important than total T is the T/E ratio.
I gave a theory on why guys can get it for porn whilst still not having morning wood.  I do know in older guys, absence of morning wood is a sign to have their numbers checked out,
Patients with purely psychological ED should be identified and considered for counseling. Again, this diagnosis is made by the presence of normal nighttime and morning erections.
http://www.stritch.luc.edu/depts/urology/erectile_dysfunction.htm

One way to know if the cause is physical is whether you have nighttime erections. Normally, men have 3 to 5 erections per night. Each erection lasts for up to 30 minutes. Your doctor can tell you how to find out whether you are having the normal number of nighttime erections. If you have erections in the morning, this can also mean that there is not a physical cause.
http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/erection-problems/overview.html


I don't know the cause of the reports of a lack of morning wood, but able to get it up for porn.  Do you have insights into why that happens? Could it be the masterbation before bed just wears a guy out?(Coolidge effect makes me doubt that idea)
Do you have facts that show other health factors are ok and lack of morning wood is due to..well, I'm not sure what would make a healthy body not having morning wood?
I just know that lack of morning wood is a warning sign, and you check it out. 

My anecdotal evidence is in 2012, (34yo)I had a blood test that measured my lipids, fasting glucose,  hormones and it was all in the tank my MD told to fix it or he'd put me on meds, yet I was able to get it up and never had an ED issue with porn,  I don't know if I had morning wood.

June 13, I was in great shape/via blood test and things were not working fine, PIED was taking over.
but I get morning wood Likely because I have good artery health
 
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Mart71

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@ bzarfas
You do realize, that the issue occurs with lots of teenagers as well, right? I would have my doubts, if they were all overweight american loners on a high fructose diets. But they are not. There are all kinds of them, virgins, sexually actve teen, people who sit at home all the time, people who do lots of sports and they come from all over the world. A recurring theme is, they get checked out medically and the levels are okay. A recurring theme is, they masturbate to porn.  A recurring theme is, they develop ED while using porn.

Not everyone can answer the numbers you are asking for, I just checked my own blood tests results my urologist made because of my ED and it just says 4.24 ng/ml for "testosterone". The other things you ask for aren't even on there. So my T (42 years old) is "low" but still okay and NOT the reason for my ED - according to the doc. This medical professional did not check T/E ratio to my knowledge. Maybe he should have? I don't know. I trust he knows what he is doing and in the end, he was right.

He diagnosed me as "perfectly healthy" and all problems are in my head. I kind of doubted it, when I can't get an erection after one whole week of trying to get one with a girl at the beginning of my reboot. I started the reboot a few days after that incident - the only thing I changed in my life was to take away porn and masturbate much less. Result after a few months: I can get pretty reliable erections with a girl again - after more or less two decades of not being able to do that. So the ED was not caused by physical problems or low T, but actual things in my head or rather brain. Maybe I am messed up and need therapy - or maybe I am just addicted to porn.

Correlation does not imply causation. That is true. Patterns in empirical data can however be a basis for a good hypothesis (which is more or less what is being collected at YBOP) and it points to porn being the cause.
 

bzarfas

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Mart71 said:
@ bzarfas
You do realize, that the issue occurs with lots of teenagers as well, right? I would have my doubts, if they were all overweight american loners on a high fructose diets. But they are not. There are all kinds of them, virgins, sexually actve teen, people who sit at home all the time, people who do lots of sports and they come from all over the world. A recurring theme is, they get checked out medically and the levels are okay. A recurring theme is, they masturbate to porn.  A recurring theme is, they develop ED while using porn.
As I had said, I think in some cases,(40y0+) artery health(and those other factors) should be looked to get the best results from a reboot.

Mart71 said:
Not everyone can answer the numbers you are asking for, I just checked my own blood tests results my urologist made because of my ED and it just says 4.24 ng/ml for "testosterone".
or about 424ng/dl, which varies as being low or normal.  the scale isnt really spot on(no magic number) you need to look at symptoms that are also associated with lowT
Mart71 said:
The other things you ask for aren't even on there. So my T (42 years old) is "low" but still okay and NOT the reason for my ED - according to the doc. This medical professional did not check T/E ratio to my knowledge. Maybe he should have? I don't know. I trust he knows what he is doing and in the end, he was right.[/]

Right, T/E ratio( total testosterone/estradiol) is a minor calculation you have to do yourself.  Knowing your E2(estradiol) affects your T number,
Im gonna guess here at you with your 424 test,  you are lean guy and have  a low estradiol. IE a higher T/E ratio

Mart71 said:
He diagnosed me as "perfectly healthy" and all problems are in my head. I kind of doubted it, when I can't get an erection after one whole week of trying to get one with a girl at the beginning of my reboot. I started the reboot a few days after that incident - the only thing I changed in my life was to take away porn and masturbate much less. Result after a few months: I can get pretty reliable erections with a girl again - after more or less two decades of not being able to do that. So the ED was not caused by physical problems or low T, but actual things in my head or rather brain. Maybe I am messed up and need therapy - or maybe I am just addicted to porn.
Do you think when you saw the doc you  were "perfectly" healthy?  a 42yo with ED isnt what I'd call healthy, but sounds like your 15mins with the doc were up. Did he give you samples of any PDE5 inhibitors?
Sounds like you took responsibility for your own health in your own hands and things are pointing up again. 


Mart71 said:
Correlation does not imply causation. That is true. Patterns in empirical data can however be a basis for a good hypothesis (which is more or less what is being collected at YBOP) and it points to porn being the cause.
that's what I am also learning about and it seems true, but I don't know the reason, although I have, and gave, a few guesses as to why that occurs.
but you don't know the science of why this is happening, but like I told gabe
bzarfas said:
you gave me something better,
results of what is said about what works,
we are finding out how to fix the problem and that is more than enough. 
I have spent years being taught about the body's health, I am doing my best to share useful knowledge while learing new stuff(absorb whats useful)
dont think I am saying its all about BMI/testosterone/artery health/inflammation/sleep/ e2;  those are the pieces of the puzzle I know, I'm learning about the brain part also.
I like hearing about good stories like yours, thanks for sharing that and keep working hard
(so many puns, so little time)
 

Bubbunonuthin

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When trying to decipher morning wood (the brain's sexual response to engage penile erection, albeit a nocturnal version) and separate it from masturbation/porn excess (the brain's response to (extreme) sexual stimuli) . . . It would be best to view them as connected in a habitual stimuli response,  and varying in degree of "wear and tear." Some may have no morning wood/flatline, some rebound with MW, but flatlined . . . is a question of degree of over-stimulated "parts," and your physical disposition etc.

Think of it this way . . . You race your car around the US . . . beating it (pardon the pun) so badly a tire blows out. You look, and realize that the tires are all bald.  This causes you to think about "the engine" . . . and you take the car to a shop (a legitimate one without agenda!)  They fix the tires within a few days, and then tell you it will take longer to address the deeper internal issues of the engine.

It is the same with the body. If masturbation was the way you ROLL with your over-stimulating (there are multitudes of forms, some socially acceptable, even heralded as desirable), it will be affected with all other systems involved in the habit (see nitrous oxide depletion and erections)

For myself, my MW has quickly come back (day 33, and I am a healthy 55) but am still tired and sluggish.  So "my tires and wheels" were not that deeply damaged (the more you play the more you pay) . . . But the "car" is still in the shop awaiting deeper internal repairs on the engine. It's a natural process.

Maybe some other "cars" that have raced around also have badly damage rims, or maybe others have 2 good rear tires etc . . . You get the idea?

I don't think you can/should separate one aspect of chosen over-stimulation from another, as they were integral for the desired stimulation, and are integral elements of the healing/rebalancing process. The easiest to correct s first noticed, the deeper issues take longer.

I also think a person needs to look at their other forms of potential over-stimulation.  We are an addictive civilization (addiction is really what civilization "does" under the guise "progress!" . . .progress towards what I ask? Perhaps just greater and more clever distractions.) We pride ourselves on stress/over-stimulation and consider it a "Badge of Honor"  when in socially acceptable forms, and condemn the socially unacceptable forms. (means we are important somewhere when donning badges).

Eventually some will catch on that ALL in habitual excess, will lead to brain Imbalances, and Buddha's "Middle Way" will take on renewed importance in a suffering excessive culture.

Nuff said
 

beni88

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I tried ed pills (V and C) and sex was amazing, feel like erection was 110 %. It can help with ED in early stage, later you can decrease dose and as last step try without.
 
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