Question: is M without P and without fantasies count as a relapse?

Cause if so, I am not doing this correctly.

I am proud to say that I am porn free for 3 months.
But I have been doing M 2-3 times a week for the whole time.
I decided to make a special rule for myself that M was ok as long as it was just physical stimuly, no images of sexual fantasies in my mind during M. I was kind of proud of being able to M without P, although quite hard to keep the images away.

In these 3 months I have had several sex dates with 4 different people. 2 of them I couldn't keep it hard. With one I have failed 50% of the times,and the last one I have managed 100% success rate so far.
So my stats are not looking good, which made rethink my special rule.

I would like to know if there is any success storys of people who managed to recover while still doing M without P.
I have researched in this forum and I haven't gotten a clear idea on this question. Some guys talk about doing the recovery hardline, what is this? I assumed that it was without P and M. So then I figured that just M would be soft mode.

Also I just wanted to say that I have read many stories here and that this forum is amazing. So many guys helping each out, really fills me with hope. Keep up the good work!

williamcharles i think it will depend on how sever is your addiction!! take me for exemple: i fist find out that i had PIED about 2 weeks ago when i had sex with this girl and it took me a long time to ejaculate, my penis would loose hardness especially with me standing up, it didn?t lost erection completely but it would come and go. i was only able to ejaculate with her giving me oral sex; some guys from here said that my problem was not that sever because i was still able to have sex; some guys can?t even get a erection without porn or even with porn and those are the ones that absolutely needs to quit masturbating but even though my case is not as sever i went on the 90 days hard mode reboot anyway because i want to get 100% better as soon as possible and i think you should do the same; no M and no P for at least 90 days!!! i hope it helped.

I would say that as long as you've left the porn and porn fantasy alone, in the 3 months you'll have made improvements. If you were that severe, you wouldn't even be able to orgasm with a full erection to just m, so congratulations. The only reason I don't m anymore (without P) is basically because I worry it will remind my brain pathways of old bad habits. Whilst right now, I can get an erection and O successfully everytime with sex, I still feel delicate and don't want to waste an orgasm. Sounds like you've made a great start at 3 months! Well done! Keep going and consider leaving m too for added horniness.

Thanks guys! Really appreciate your views.
I decided that I will go through the 90 day hardmode challenge.
I noticed that when I go for a few days without M i start feeling lethargic, but reading through more stories, this seems to be part of the process!

williamcharles said:

Thanks guys! Really appreciate your views.
I decided that I will go through the 90 day hardmode challenge.
I noticed that when I go for a few days without M i start feeling lethargic, but reading through more stories, this seems to be part of the process!

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You'll never know the benefits unless you try!

Masturbating releases high levels or dopamine in your brain, and it's your brain that needs a rest! Over stimulation has caused it to become dull when it comes to arousal. It needs a proper reset.

Today I am hitting a low.
I even installed a few dating apps. I deleted them because I just saw how much time i was losing with them.
Now I want to confirm is this hard mode without O during the whole time?
My libido is driving me crazy...