Flatline after every orgasm

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zandiz

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I've been rebooting for 1.5 years. I have not PMO'd in that time but I do have sex with random chicks and have MO'd a few times although nothing consistent. Every time I MO or have sex, I enter into a long flatline.

I feel like my rebooting should be complete after such a long time. Do I need a constant girlfriend to rewire? Perhaps if I had regular contact with a girl, my body would learn to desire sex again?
 
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Numez

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for sure, constant girlfriend is your friend in rewiring and recovery. i remember before porn addiction, i had gf for 2 years and always had blue balls because i was too horny around her so there is no need to change partners to feel horny or avoid any ED problems.

avoid MO completely. i was 8 months completely clean (no PMO AND NO ANY MO), recovering pretty well and fucked up completely after few MO sessions. avoid MO at all costs and engage in real thing as much. you may think that MO here and there may not hurt you but think again. even just edging or Oing can hurt. go rewiring and cleeeeaaaaan.
 
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vak88

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Nikola - that's really true. I had the same experience, and wish I was warned myself. Totally agree, avoid any MO, any "edging" any "tantric exercies" any "playing around" basically anything where you touch your friend =)

And as for girls, that's interesting.

Does anyone else feel like rewiring with 1 girlfriend is better vs. multiple women / casual dating? I would believe it, just haven't tried it. It kinda makes sense, as you sort of have to rewire your brain to lower levels of novelty / stimulation / etc...
 
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Numez

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DepressedAndOut said:
Do you really lose all of your gains if you MO a few times?? :(
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no. i think it was even worse than when i started first time. 110% lost progress.

i think i would bounce back quicker if i just stopped again, i believe i would not need 8 more months but chaser effect and cravings were just, there was no way back to rebooting.
 
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vak88

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Yea, I also had a similar experience. I would feel like I'm bouncing back really strong, and then did some MO & Edging + a mistaken version of karezza (which was actually just edging with pussy), and then re-flattlined. Feels like square 1 all over again. The 110% resonates, hard.

I didn't understand from your post - did you bounce back quicker in the end? I plan on doing all that you say, and staying away from any form of edging / dopamine spikes. But really hoping this won't take the same period of time, and curious about your experience.

Also, when did you know that it was right to start upping the frequency of orgasms (with women, obviously MO is out the window)? I'm assuming you started gradually .. a few times a week. But how did you know that it wasn't too much and that it wouldn't  turn into overstimulation of the brain too soon?
 
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Numez

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i never really bounced back it was 2 years ago and im still struggling, im only 7 days today. that is the worst part, its not the MO in my case or 1 relapse its that its hard to bounce back and go another 8 months clean. that is why porn is never an option, never again. not even once a year. in my case MO fucked me up but its the same, it just lead back to porn and it was game over.

with orgasms its simple, you just see how you feel afterwards. if you re-enter flatline, experience some chaser effect or any withdrawal symptoms that are bothering you, you just cut back. abstain for another 1-2 weeks and try again. dont have orgasms or even edge for more than once per week if it is causing you trouble in reboot. rewire through other ways.
 
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vak88

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Ok, that makes sense. Will just add slowly and carefully, avoiding any sort of edging. What F-ed me up after a very nice reboot. Yea man, i hate porn so much with all my guts after this crap, just the thought of watching it again makes me think. How much it's taken from our lives! Keep THAT thought alive, it will help you.
 
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Numez

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that thought is only good for the moment. when the craving hit, you are fucked up no matter what are you thinking !!
 
Guts

Guts

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scorpion1386 said:
Why do flatlines after orgasm happen? I feel terribly alone...
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lol wtf are you talking about, literally everybody that has PIED has this problem. You're not doing something right. How long have you gone without porn or an intentional orgasm?
 
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scorpion1386

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Guts said:
scorpion1386 said:
Why do flatlines after orgasm happen? I feel terribly alone...
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lol wtf are you talking about, literally everybody that has PIED has this problem. You're not doing something right. How long have you gone without porn or an intentional orgasm?
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5 days as of right now. I have to keep going.
 
Guts

Guts

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scorpion1386 said:
Guts said:
scorpion1386 said:
Why do flatlines after orgasm happen? I feel terribly alone...
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lol wtf are you talking about, literally everybody that has PIED has this problem. You're not doing something right. How long have you gone without porn or an intentional orgasm?
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5 days as of right now. I have to keep going.
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No I mean what's the longest you have ever gone with both?
 
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scorpion1386

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Guts said:
scorpion1386 said:
Guts said:
scorpion1386 said:
Why do flatlines after orgasm happen? I feel terribly alone...
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lol wtf are you talking about, literally everybody that has PIED has this problem. You're not doing something right. How long have you gone without porn or an intentional orgasm?
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5 days as of right now. I have to keep going.
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No I mean what's the longest you have ever gone with both?
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1 month
 
Guts

Guts

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scorpion1386 said:
Guts said:
scorpion1386 said:
Guts said:
scorpion1386 said:
Why do flatlines after orgasm happen? I feel terribly alone...
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lol wtf are you talking about, literally everybody that has PIED has this problem. You're not doing something right. How long have you gone without porn or an intentional orgasm?
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5 days as of right now. I have to keep going.
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No I mean what's the longest you have ever gone with both?
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1 month
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That's way too little to fix PIED. You're never going to recover if you keep going back to the thing that's making you flatline in the first place.
 
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Relentless Observer

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Numezz said:
DepressedAndOut said:
Do you really lose all of your gains if you MO a few times?? :(
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no. i think it was even worse than when i started first time. 110% lost progress.

i think i would bounce back quicker if i just stopped again, i believe i would not need 8 more months but chaser effect and cravings were just, there was no way back to rebooting.
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Numezzz,
I feel I am similar to your situation.  In the past 1.5 years I have felt that I have had some good periods, starting to recover, then I masturbate and I feel worse off than my original start, which was terrible.  What is your situation now?  Have you been able to go completely clean (without P or M or O?).
I am starting to be quite scared too because it seems after all this time (successfully without P) I would be recovered.  Yet, every time I "O," I seem further back than when I started.
It has given me the motivation to go fully hardmode though from here on out, so I hope this works.
 
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Relentless Observer

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scorpion1386 said:
Why do flatlines after orgasm happen? I feel terribly alone...
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I feel alone too, but it isn't just us going through it.  We have the support of each other and the community.
I am feeling socially isolated outside this forum, but I do appreciate the support here.
Truly, it feels like I am an alien without my erectile health around women for so long.
 
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Relentless Observer

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Zandiz, Guts,

How are your progresses?
I have seen Guts post a few times about completely eliminating MO also, not just P, but it seems most people have been adding M to a degree successfully in this forum, so I have been trying here and there to do it, but it always sets me so far back.  I have said it a few times now that I will go without MO in addition to no P, but now I mean it until my erectile health is back.
I appreciate any suggestions or anecdotes and links to people like myself who have been dealing with this for well over a year and being flatlined after masturbation.
Thank you.
 
Guts

Guts

Member
Relentless Observer said:
Zandiz, Guts,

How are your progresses?
I have seen Guts post a few times about completely eliminating MO also, not just P, but it seems most people have been adding M to a degree successfully in this forum, so I have been trying here and there to do it, but it always sets me so far back.  I have said it a few times now that I will go without MO in addition to no P, but now I mean it until my erectile health is back.
I appreciate any suggestions or anecdotes and links to people like myself who have been dealing with this for well over a year and being flatlined after masturbation.
Thank you.
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I'm at 16 months of rebooting and I went hard mode for 6 months 10 months ago. As of now I still go in and out of flatlines but they are getting shorter and shorter as the months go by and when I'm out of them my erections get harder and last longer everytime I cycle out of the flatline. I still flatline even when I abstain from any orgasm however I notice my libido lasts much longer when I do abstain and too many orgasms will lower my libido but they don't flatline me like they used to.

I now believe staying away from porn and unconditiong the brain from it is the most important thing to do to get rid of this. But if orgasms do send you into a flatline I'd try minimizing them as best as you can.
 
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