(ED) PIED or Chronic Edging IED? I will rise from my ashes anyway.

tl;dr: Me,23 y.o.,facing erectile dysfunction since almost a year. M.O. since 13 y.o., P.M.O. since 16 y.o., but not really heavy porn user. Since the last 2-3 years I am a edging a lot to fantasy(where I would think about sexual moments with women I desired or to model images) or porn(less frequently), I might edge for about 2-3 hours without cumming. Lost virginity at 18, no actual sexual experience since. Only some make outs or rejections. 14th day of reboot, no PMO,hard mode. First week horny, morning wood, very happy! second week flatline...i am worried that chronic edging caused the problem and not porn that much. Any opinions about chronic edging and erectile dysfunction?

Hi everyone my fellow rebooters. I apologise for my poor English, I come from Greece!I am a 23 years old guy and a medical student,hopefully in June I will eventually become an M.D.! I have been masturbating since 13, and since 16 to porn. No problems until 10 months ago when I noticed ED. I was never a heavy porn user, but I would edge a lot.2-3 years ago I realised that edging would increase pleasure while M, propably the Dopamine rush was a lot bigger. For example, before I slept I would edge for an hour without O. I would fantasize of hot women I desired from my routine in porn situations, I would imagine them as whores or sex slaves and such. I am wondering if chronic edging caused the problem and not porn that much.Sometimes,I would edge for 3-4 hours with O. In that I would really appreciate everyones' opinion and mostly the expert ones'.  I have a lovely girlfriend for a month, but I have avoided to have sex... I think I would be 70-80% and maybe condom wearing would derail the process..Currently I am in my 14th day,no PMO at all. First week was extremely horny and I thought I was almost cured,second week hit flatline and I am still there...I hate it.I also noticed that I can't stay that long awake as I did before rebooting, I feel sleepy late in the afternoon. Could that be an abstinence symptom? I avoid everything related to porn or sex images. Naked women pictures provoke anxiety because they remind me of my ED. While making out with my GF i have about 70-80% erection but haven't taken it out of my underwear yet. Morning wood is present but not that hard or long, usually when i reach toilet it will be gone. Spontaneous erection sometimes. I think my situation is not that severe, propably because I am not wired to porn that much, Or at least I hope so Anyway i will never PMO again. Only real women now.

As a medical student, I can assure you that really few physicians are aware of PIED, and very few people in Greece in general. No other health problems, I work out and am quite muscular. Hold on rebooters! We will retake our masculinity. I am waiting for everyones' opinion about edging or whatever! Keep up the wonderful job guys from YBOP and RebootNation!

wecandothis, I am similar to you in using more fantasy/edging than actual porn, and I am sure it's a cause of my ED.  My past was more soft porn, and some hardcore occasionally, but in the past few years I have gotten more into fantasy, talking to others online about sexual experiences, and little bit of writing erotica.  Only in the past year has my slowly showed it's ugly face, and I attribute it a lot to my edging practice.  I think I have read elsewhere other guy's experiences of edging also contributing.  And I think you caught it in the same stage as I did before it has gotten too worse.  Good luck and stay the course! 

Thank you for your contribution. I've checked your thread sir. Seems like we are related in some way. I hope the best for you,stay strong!

I think it's true what you mentioned,I've noticed my E.D. before my guy completely died. Medical knowldge leads me to have raised awareness about my overall health status, I tend to notice early symptoms upon myself, but I tend to overanalyze and confuse things as well sometimes. Lost months blaming other causes for my problem(low T,low LDL cholesterole!!!, bad nutrition,which never was not bad at all,overtraining,hypothyreoism,Vitamin deficiencies,most of them were ruled out by carrying out the proper blood tests,performance nxiety,anxiety due to college liabilities and other,I even thought that I was not masturbating enough lol). Therefore, i hope noticing our problem before our guys completely and died lesser addiction/wiring to porn will be proven factors contributing to a faster recovery. My first checkpoint is at 60 days, I hope I'll have experienced some tangible results till then. Anyway I currenlty think of PMO and edging for hours as nonsense and time wasting,hope I'll quit forever.

Day 16 today,hard mode,flatline day 9. I think I notice a small life motivation re-kindling. Today I talked to a girl working in the local supermarket, i didn't find her attractive but I found it enjoying talking to an unknown uninteresting girl for no reason,which I wouldn't do during the last months. I had a 50% erection then. I did notice as well I had a 70% boner when a guy at the hospital talked about a girl which is doing windsurfing. Without no image of her, the idea of a female water sports athlete triggered an erection. Maybe all those mean nothing, time will tell...but they made me happy. Morning wood present every day,but 80% at most, fades out easily.

Hold on guys!We will get back ourselves!

This is also my theory that porn isnt the issue for everyone. I think porn/fantasy can lead to masturbation habbits which do not reflect proper sexual activity.. when we are with a partner it doesnt compare. Personally i would M with a semi in my pants then remove to O. I always got 100% hard when i took my penis out.. so now whenever im with a girl im fairly soft until i O then im 100%.. im on day 22. I have M 4 times during reboot but simulated sexual activity rather than sitting there edging/masturbating wrong... i feel i am curing myself overtime. Definite improvements thus far. So basically im saying porn leads to bad masturbation habbits which lead to ED and this is why doctors arent jumping on PIED as most people M to P correctly or it just doesnt affect them.

Francis I agree with you about M habits. There are some days since your post, I hope things improved even more.
Day 21 today. Still flatlining but its severity is declining. Improvements:
1. Firmer morning wood, even when urinati, I haven't experienced this in a long time.
2. When I wake up during the night, my penis is about 20-30% erected. That wouldn't happen before, my penis would be dead during those sudden wake ups.
3. My penis doesn't feel dead as it used to. I had some pretty firm spontaneous erections, it's long time since I saw it that fat.
4.80-90% erections when making out with my GF(today and yesterday)
Some improvements I didn't expect, other people are talking about the here or in YBOP:
5.Increased motivation,confidence.
6.Better mood despite flatline.
7.Deeper voice!
8.Better skin.
Problems to be solved:
1.No libido. Women seem totally uninteresting.
2.Today tried to have sex with my GF. We were making out for about 2 hours. We cooked and ate in between. While making out I had pretty firm erections and I was confident that I would manage to have sex. Suddenly I started to have blue balls. My erection declined due to this fact, we took out clothes and erection was fading out. Anxiety showed up then and my penis went into the downward spiral, i almost had a panic attack, of course I completely lost erection. Dissapointing moment,but she was really understanding. I still have blue balls at the moment lol. I hope my libido improves so that it will beat perfomance anxiety.

I think I am in the right way. I am looking forward to the moment when I will see a good looking woman and i will go crazy to have sex with her.

Day 24 today. Day 22 and 23 were shit. Deep flatline, a lot of work to do so little sleep as well. Today was a lot better. Had morning wood(i have it every day), 4 spontaneous erections about 90%, had even erection when seeing a hot colleague of mine! It went up really slowly but  firmly,anyway it's something,it's a long time since that happened. Erection to GF as well. Still experiencing social benefits, I am much more relaxed,social and more energetic. Erections and sensitivity have improved a little. Despite all those positive that happened my mood is not the best. Something inside my head is seriously doubting the process. Maybe my mind is playing its tricks so that it gets its dopamine from edging to porn. Maybe the process is not worthy after all and this 'voice' is right after all. I think I might develop Performance anxiety due to my last failure at sex as well. NEED MOTIVATION DESPERATELY. Success stories from RN,YBOP or YBR don't help that much,as they would do. But I'll hold on, I don't have any other choice anyway...damn you pathetic edging. I hope you didn't harm permanently my penis.  Cheers rebooters!

Keep going, im doing 90 day hard mode and if im not recovered itl be the embarrasing trip to doctors! My BMI says im just overweight so im introducing a healthy diet and quitting drinking.

I have the same improvements as you. It would seem our diagnosis and recovery is similar to mine.

Give an update this week when youve got time.

DAY 31. Francis91 thank you. I am tracking your posts,seems like you are getting better and this is so much encouraging. Stay strong! I am a lot better than what I described in my last post. I even got out of my almost 3 weeks flatline. I feel libido coming back, great mood,motivation and energy despite exhausting working hours and studying(and not much sleep unfortunately...about 6 hours daily). Random firm boners,strong ones when cuddling or kissing with my gf(don't see her that much). Of course I have loooong way to go,of course I'll flatline again,maybe less severely or with lesser duration, but i have faith in the process now. And the most important: I DON'T WALK AROUND WITH A DEAD PENIS ANYMORE. I feel life down there. Man this was so disturbing. Tons lifted were lifted from my heart with this improvement! Maybe during weekend I'll right down a complete list with all the improvements so far one by one. I'd like one from you as well when you are free. And some thoughts of mine about the process as well. Nor porn or edging are options anymore regardless of what finally happens with my ED(I strongly hope now),they have nothing more to give. Hold on guys.

Oh,forgot to mention:
1. BMI is not a reliable indicator.  Muscular guys has have elevated BMI. Arnold Schwargenger would have maybe more than 27-28 BMI,is there anybody out there who would dare call overweight or obese?You should check your body's antipose percentange,that would be more accurate,you should aim for below 18%. Work out man,work out a lot. Find time and engage with nature. Swimming is great,running outdoors is great,that's what I do. Gym is great too but I find it quite boring(you might find girls there and improve your social skills). Reboot will give you the motivation to change your body,and when you get the results, you will be addicted to working out.
2. Cut down damn alcohol and cut off smoking if you do smoke,definately.
3. Doctor will be propably rule out the organic causes. We are young men,we don't suffer from chronic hypertension,Diabetes mellitus,atherosclerosis etc etc factors that kill older peoples' penises(and much much more actually).

Well congrats first of all for completing a month!! Keep it going now. That's longer than i've ever gone. Obviously the process is working for you so far. Have you done anything with your GF? Have you had any wet dreams in these days?

I'm now on hard mode (day 7 - I relapsed last sunday but only M once to fantasy - still not 100% hard and PE).

I'm working my way up to 30 days aswell however last night the craziest thing happened! I had a lucid dream (I used to practice these when I was younger and I can do them once every fortnight or so). I choose to have sex in the dream, anyway needless to say it turned into a wet dream, I woke up as I came. I went back to sleep and same thing happened again and I came. It's so strange but in the dream I also had ED... My head is screwed up but it was just so surreal, if you've never experienced a true vivid lucid dream then you might not understand.

Edit: Yes true about BMI but I am generally not on a healthy diet (mcdonalds 3-4x a week, cheese, chocolate and no fruit) this is slowly improving, I am slightly overweight but play alot of sport.

I'm now waking up with semi's every other day but nothing rock hard yet.

Anyway this week should fly by as I'm working longer hours, so I expect to be on Day 14 before I know it. I will try and write every sunday evening (UK Time).

I am not sure if I understand what kind of dream you are talking about,maybe I haven't experienced this myself. I had some strange dreams as well, somehow they seemed almost real, i would remember everything next morning...it was one dream where I would explain a friend of mine the reboot process lol,but i don't know if all those are related to the reboot.. If i got one wet dream i wouldn't worry much about it, you can't control them anyway. Morning wood is propably a good sign, keep going on hard mode dude.

DAY 40 Seems like i am flatlining after 10 days of decent to huge libido and firm erections, around 90%,when my penis seemed sensitized and huge(it's a long time a saw it that fat). Today actually I was tired, I had joint pains and I couldn't concentrate at all, weekend will be a blessing for me. But this flatline doesn't seem as dreadfull as last one(days 8-29 ) i had morning wood,random boners etc etc,but worse than the last ten days. I feel calm about it, I know I will get out of it soon and stronger. Thinking of telling my gf about the reboot. I won't risk sex before day 60. She deserves to know. We don't see each other much, but when we do I have a boner, but it has to be that firm so that it can beat performance anxiety as well Unfortunately I don't have much spare time and I eat shit. And I get blue balls easily durin the last days.

So far
1.Signs of erectile improvement,firm MW,spontaneous erections,girls seem interesting again..days 29-39 were really 'hard' hehe. Still long way to go,have to beat PA as well.
2. Better mood,increased motivation, less anxiety,easy socialising.
3.I have little rosacea acne, it is going away!
4.More energy,6 hours of sleep are ok, before reboot I would be a zombie if i slept only 6 hours.
5.had deeper voice for about 2 weeks,but this faded out.
6.I eat shit because of free time shortage
7.I try to lift or do push ups or train my abdominal muscles when at home, during weekends I go jogging as well, I am more motivated to do all those,want to lose 3-4 kgs
8.No wet dreams
9.Not much confidence about having sex but I think I'll make it soon.

Porn is not an option. I don't miss it at all. Edging is not as well,despite some urges during the last days, i controled them easily

Yeah, my porn use is mostly edging, and I think it is the worst. For one, it releases more dopamine under a much longer time, and it also tricks you into thinking that "I am not really doing PMO" so you can spend more time doing it and easier relapse. Edging is my Achilles heel.

gummianka said:

Yeah, my porn use is mostly edging, and I think it is the worst. For one, it releases more dopamine under a much longer time, and it also tricks you into thinking that "I am not really doing PMO" so you can spend more time doing it and easier relapse. Edging is my Achilles heel.

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You said a "handful" right there. Edging is VERY dangerous to the process of kicking porn addiction.

gummianka said:

Yeah, my porn use is mostly edging, and I think it is the worst. For one, it releases more dopamine under a much longer time, and it also tricks you into thinking that "I am not really doing PMO" so you can spend more time doing it and easier relapse. Edging is my Achilles heel.

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Exactly. That's why you should quit touching your penis for sometime. I am sure you don't enjoy edging now as you did some months/years ago and you do it only out of habit,do you? That's what applied for me. So I don't miss it at all. What I miss is my real libido,my strong erections and being a proper lover,not edging!

DAY 54. During the last three days I am in my second major flatline. Differences with the first:
1.Incredibly better mood.
2.I am sure it will pass soon.
3.My penis hangs longer,not sucked up or cold.
4.Before the reboot and about ten days ago,my pelvic floor muscles where overstreched. Now they are loose. It feels so relaxing. Haven't felt this for 1,5 year at least. I consider this as a good sing.

Have had 3 wet dreams. I have MW and spontaneous erections every day,even during those three days(they are less strong/fewer) I will meet again my gf about day 65. Hope for a decent BJ at least I feel good about the process,I don't regret it at all, feel like I am on the bumpy road of treatment. Cheers

congrats - I am now on day 26 full hard mode. 3 Wet Dreams. Had my first morning erection that was capable of PIV sex yesterday. It lastest until I got out of bed (10 minutes) - Was difficult not to touch but I avoided. Feels like I have got to the point now where I wouldn't relapse due to the amount of time and effort I have put into this reboot.

Congrats to you too,seems you are doing well. Keep going. Any other positive changes? How do your pelvic floor muscles feel?

Well i had a minor set back yesterday.. I M twice but to fantasy.. still erection issues. But i havent watched P. Gonna ride June out in Hard mode. Weird symptons im noticing is my glans have gone more purple/blue.. my pelvic floor muscles seem weak.

Day 68. So... I got out of flatline. It lasted 13 days almost. Last time with my girl I was the hardest since the beginning of my reboot. But i didn't try anything more. I suspect she is a virgin. We haven't discussed it. I had some strong spontaneous erections during the last days. some horniness was definately there. Sometimes I try to rub my penis on my jeans while sitting,and some Kegels applied,I get an erection. I know that this i counterproductive and I will stop it, but seems like some sensitivity is back. Penis seems healthier,fuller and longer. I don't feel as I have a dead thing in my underwear,as I did before reboot. I can see more veins on it as well,sign that more blood is pumped there. My pelvic muscles are relaxed still, they can pump blood in penis if I want to. Weirdly I've lost MW. I wake up to alarm, I might get it in the bus while going to hospital, I don't know if this considered MW In general my penis seems healthier but there is long way to go,120 at least.

Other benefits? well, faster hair growth,more energy and motivation. Some social anxiety kicked in during the last days,that was weird,hope it will pass. During the flatline I had severe muscle and joint pains and some strong headaches.

May 2015,one year ago was when I first noticed my ED. One year of this shit was enough. Relapsing doesn't even pass through my mind. The idea of curing ED and having proper sexual life again is so so so motivational.