Loneliness and nofap

AlexthenotsoGreat

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I'm a very lonely guy. Most of my friends have moved out of state or are married or have girlfriends and have no time for me. Most of my days I just sit around at home, read a book, watch a movie, study a little (when I have to). I have had the worst form of social phobia and at one point I almost had agoraphobia. I don't know any girls I call friends. Every time I get rejected by a girl I get to know and like I have a hard time moving forward. I'm a good-looking guy, which makes me think that the rejections are due to my shyness or lack of confidence around women. I relapsed yesterday, because I hate my life and just want to forget how empty it is. Nofap feels like a non-solution to me. Take my advice if you're in your twenties. Kick this demon out of your life before it ruins it. I'm in my 30's and live with my parents. If you're living with your parents in your 30's and it doesn't make you feel like a loser then you need a kick in the butt (are we allowed to use the word "ass" here?) right out the door. No one will save you from your own terrible habits. You need to do it. I don't know if I'll ever recover, but I want to see others do so. So that's all I wanted to say: don't complain if you're in your twenties and are struggling. The grass is always greener on the other side. Count yourself lucky that you've learned the nature of this monster we call porn. You can succeed. I wish you the best of luck.
 

Fappy

Respected Member
Hi Alex,
Your post reeks of self pity and self degradation. It reeks of the sentiments of a porn addict.
It seems like porn has Fucked your life up, yeah... it'll do that. It did it to mine and countless others on this forum.
That's right, if you feel you're a loser because you are addicted to fapping to porn you need a good kick up your arse! Wake the fuck up!
You said it yourself that this is the cure for all your ills. Why don't you follow your own advice instead of wallowing in pathetic self pity ?

Let's analyze a few points :
How long have you been addicted to porn?
What's your fapping lke? As in how many days a week would you fap to porn?
Take a moment to reflect on why you look at it. Yes I know you're life sucks, you live with your parents, you're bored etc etc ... Don't need that shit. take a long look at the "why" .
Yes indeed this demon of porn addiction is a bastard-cunt straight from the arsehole of Hell. But it can  be defeated, trust me.
Take it one day at a time, pull your head out of your arse, focus, and remind yourself constantly as to why you need to quit it.
Keep posting here please. There's a lot of good people here that can help you
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

Active Member
First off, if you're going to pretend to care, at least don't insult me like that. I did not say porn ruined my life, you read that into it. You call it complaining, but I'm being honest and if that's complaining to your ears then go find someone else to throw dirt at. Do I think my life is ruined? No, but frankly I'm sick of people (you included) saying that it's the cure for everything when it's not. Like it or not, even without porn we're all of us messed up, and your arrogant douchebag attitude doesn't counter that claim. Also, you seem to think there's a one-fix solution to it all, but have you ever had severe social phobia? No. Then don't pretend to know what my real problem is. You don't know anything about my past.
 

Fappy

Respected Member
Sorry for my harsh response, mate.
Are you getting help for your other problems?
It's just that open addiction makes any othe psychological issues that much worse .
How often do you look at porn in a week?
 
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Mroctupus

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Loneliness is often the reason many use porn. It?s connection even on mental level that?s better than nothing. It has very short effect though as after the time you watched and fapped you still get back to your own reality and find yourself alone infront of screen. That?s one of the reason I tried live can but it?s the same except cost more. There are pu communities that can help you with women and you have to accept where you are and get a job. I think even a minimum wage is better than wasting your time at home. Then try to gain some skills to provide you with better job to move on from home and parents. I am in 30?s but I live alone and I still think life sucks because I need to own a home to build my family so I undrestand where are you coming from. Believe me there is only one solution, take your problems to different parts and tackle them one by one like a pro. No fap is a good start as it gives you more energy but there is other things to do to get happy
 
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Finw?

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AlexthenotsoGreat said:
Frankly I'm sick of people (you included) saying that it's the cure for everything when it's not...you seem to think there's a one-fix solution to it all, but have you ever had severe social phobia?

I don't know about your situation but I was super gregarious and comfortable in my adolescence (age 14), until when school was out I watched 3-4 times a day or more over the summer, and after that I had massive social anxiety. My friends were like "wtf happened to ___?" because I was no longer the same person. I quit porn at 22 and it took many months but social anxiety is completely gone. I just do whatever I want without worrying about how other people will react now, which is my natural personality.
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

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Mroctupus said:
Loneliness is often the reason many use porn. It?s connection even on mental level that?s better than nothing. It has very short effect though as after the time you watched and fapped you still get back to your own reality and find yourself alone infront of screen. That?s one of the reason I tried live can but it?s the same except cost more. There are pu communities that can help you with women and you have to accept where you are and get a job. I think even a minimum wage is better than wasting your time at home. Then try to gain some skills to provide you with better job to move on from home and parents."
I think the loneliness has been worse once I realize the massive gap between me and my childhood friends, which I sometimes meet still. One of them went through a divorce and has had some type of pre-mid-life crisis where he's dating and having one bed-buddy or more and won't listen when I tell him he needs to take dating seriously again. The other is just coasting through life working in a grocery store and watching porn and complaining that he can't get a girlfriend (even though he's had interest from several). Should I tell them straight up that they're acting like losers? I just feel like every time it's always complaining with them and it's dragging me down. Sometimes I wonder if the company we keep is holding us back more than ourselves. I'm studying full-time, but still trying to work minimum-wage whenever I can just to have some variety.
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

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Reformed Fapper said:
Sorry for my harsh response, mate.
Are you getting help for your other problems?
It's just that open addiction makes any othe psychological issues that much worse .
How often do you look at porn in a week?
It's okay, I shouldn't have responded like I did. How often I masturbate depends on how my progress is going. I've had two streaks of about two weeks. On bad days I can jerk off once or twice a day. I hate the clean-up though, and since the loser-feelings return whenever I've relapsed I really don't feel like masturbating to porn a second time. I went to a shrink for several years, but they were clueless when it comes to porn. I tried telling them that I think porn is a big part of my problem, but they always said it's just the way I'm using it and if I don't let it get in the way of my social life I'll be fine. Of course I bought it, naive as I was. I also have a problem with how invasive their questions were. I'm going to a 12-step group though and it's been really helpful.
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

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My friends were like "wtf happened to ___?" because I was no longer the same person. I quit porn at 22 and it took many months but social anxiety is completely gone. I just do whatever I want without worrying about how other people will react now, which is my natural personality.
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I just need to get out of my head. Half of the time I'm worrying about "fitting in" without ruffling any feathers. I'm an introvert mostly I think, but I do sometimes like to be social if it's people I'm comfortable around, just not for very long as I often feel people aren't worth my time (at least not the shallow ones). This summer I met a girl I like through mutual friends, and I thought we really hit it off, but then she started ghosting me and I have no clue why. I'm not saying it had to do with my social anxiety (as I felt quite comfortable around her) but maybe women can sense if you're a porn-addict or something.
 
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Mroctupus

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I think  certain age people go through different stage of life and you can?t model any person or make excuse that they are in different path in good or bad. You got to find your own life because you only get one. Friend working is grocery store is never excuse for you to have same problem, if your friend get diarrhea would you get the copy the problem too?
 

doneatlast

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Loneliness was my huge stumbling block as well.  It hurts a lot, and those who haven't experienced acute loneliness don't know what it is like.  What is really hard is because of social anxieties, people think you're anti-social and that your loneliness of your own design, but it isn't.  The fact is that guys like you and me want the social interaction more than anyone else, but we have a hard time doing it.

You can do this.  I know it doesn't feel like you can right now, and it is okay to feel like that.  Relapses give us that feeling, but remember that small successes count, too.  For a long time, I could only go a week at a time.  Sundays were hard.  The work week had enough distractions and routine that I eventually figured out how to quit for a whole week.  But Sundays... extra time alone when I wish I had loved ones to spend it with, and going out and about and seeing families/couples together depressed me so much.  I went for close to year of only occasionally making it through Sundays, but being okay any other day. 

For social contact, small things can be really helpful.  As someone else said, a simple part time job can get those muscles moving, even if the job isn't all that pleasant.  Volunteer opportunities are the same.  I help a shut-in lady in a neighboring apartment complex, and it forces me out at times when I might otherwise wallow.  No, she isn't my dream girl, and I rarely can talk to her in any real open way, but she is good company and keeps me open to interaction.  What will work for you will be particular to you, too.  Yeah, I'm sure you've heard all the "find some friends, go on some websites, blah blah blah" advice... I didn't like hearing it either, because it felt like people were saying to me "I don't have time for you, find someone who does", but that isn't where I'm coming from.  I'm just saying that small things help, and sometimes it is just that little edge you need to get your sea legs back.

It sounds like you're pretty far sighted.  You talk about your studies, and wishing for a better life for you and your friends.  Maybe gives some thought to what kind of man you'd like to be.  Then, figure out which things are in your control.  I find this to be a good exercise.  Think along the lines of Aristotelian virtue ethics, and since it is typically related to matters of the soul, it is all stuff that can be worked on in the privacy of your own inner space.  As you see progress in yourself on these things, your confidence and will power will build.

For social anxiety/loneliness the ABSOLUTE WORST thing you can do for yourself is be on social media.  Looking at people's pages showing their families, good times (frankly making them look better than they seem), and progress in life.  It makes you think everyone else has great lives, and yours is terrible.  The fact is that this generation is having a VERY hard time socially and economically, and you are FAR from alone... those people just don't brag about it on Facebook, so they remain invisible, and you only see the ones who are happy, or are good at pretending to be happy.  I don't think it is any coincidence that we are in the midst of a loneliness epidemic, and social media is wildly popular.  It also is absolute poison for the soul to stir up jealousy.  Trust me, going to those sites is like stabbing a wound over and over again.  Get a bandage on it and let it heal.  I also had to give up dating websites, because they had a similar effect on me and my depression, though it may not be the same for you.  I'm sure they're a good option for some, but the constant clicking was too much like porn, and the constant not finding anyone aggravated my loneliness all the more. 

You can do this.  When we're rebooting, we have challenges that are physical, habitual, physiological and so on, but it seems like it is the emotional challenges that have the deepest claws.  If you're hung up on it, it doesn't mean you've hit a wall.  It probably means you've figured out how to cope with all the other stuff, and you're at the final challenge.  You've beaten the mini-bosses, and now it is the final boss.  Lately I've found great value in stopping my anxiety as soon as I realize it is kicking in.  I can then ask myself "why am I nervous right now?  What am I scared of?"  and I realize that my anxieties are based on lies.  Lies hate light.  Remember that. 
 

Fappy

Respected Member
AlexthenotsoGreat said:
Reformed Fapper said:
Sorry for my harsh response, mate.
Are you getting help for your other problems?
It's just that open addiction makes any othe psychological issues that much worse .
How often do you look at porn in a week?
It's okay, I shouldn't have responded like I did. How often I masturbate depends on how my progress is going. I've had two streaks of about two weeks. On bad days I can jerk off once or twice a day. I hate the clean-up though, and since the loser-feelings return whenever I've relapsed I really don't feel like masturbating to porn a second time. I went to a shrink for several years, but they were clueless when it comes to porn. I tried telling them that I think porn is a big part of my problem, but they always said it's just the way I'm using it and if I don't let it get in the way of my social life I'll be fine. Of course I bought it, naive as I was. I also have a problem with how invasive their questions were. I'm going to a 12-step group though and it's been really helpful.
2 weeks is pretty good! How did you get that far twice?
Do you remember what the triggers were? Your sense of isolation and social phobia may be feeding off your porn habits and vice versa, creating a vicious cycle that is bound to repeat itself.
I'm not surprised about your shrink discounting the influence porn has on you. Unfortunately it's not very well known amongst the psychiatric world yet. Although it's been getting more and more attention as of late.
Stick to your 12 step group and try to make it to 10 days without porn. Start off with small attainable goals and increase them as you go. Make it to ten days and you may be surprised s at the results !
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

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DoneAtLast said:
For social anxiety/loneliness the ABSOLUTE WORST thing you can do for yourself is be on social media.  Looking at people's pages showing their families, good times (frankly making them look better than they seem), and progress in life.  It makes you think everyone else has great lives, and yours is terrible.  The fact is that this generation is having a VERY hard time socially and economically, and you are FAR from alone... those people just don't brag about it on Facebook, so they remain invisible, and you only see the ones who are happy, or are good at pretending to be happy.

I haven't heard about this. It makes a lot of sense though. I was much happier or at least less depressed when I wasn't on social media. I didn't get into it until quite late, and it was then my depression seemed to worsen. I might have to try a longer fast and see how it works. Thanks for the other thoughts as well! I appreciate it.
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

Active Member
2 weeks is pretty good! How did you get that far twice?
Do you remember what the triggers were? Your sense of isolation and social phobia may be feeding off your porn habits and vice versa, creating a vicious cycle that is bound to repeat itself.
I'm not surprised about your shrink discounting the influence porn has on you. Unfortunately it's not very well known amongst the psychiatric world yet. Although it's been getting more and more attention as of late.
Stick to your 12 step group and try to make it to 10 days without porn. Start off with small attainable goals and increase them as you go. Make it to ten days and you may be surprised s at the results !

I realized about a day ago that my relapses always came a day or two after I'd edged without orgasm, to test if the sensation was different. Nights are always the worst for me, so that's when my chances of relapsing are the greatest. I had no idea edging would have such an effect to be honest. Cold turkey seems to be the most successful way to hear from others. I'll stay posted on my progress.
 

malando

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AlexthenotsoGreat said:
2 weeks is pretty good! How did you get that far twice?
Do you remember what the triggers were? Your sense of isolation and social phobia may be feeding off your porn habits and vice versa, creating a vicious cycle that is bound to repeat itself.
I'm not surprised about your shrink discounting the influence porn has on you. Unfortunately it's not very well known amongst the psychiatric world yet. Although it's been getting more and more attention as of late.
Stick to your 12 step group and try to make it to 10 days without porn. Start off with small attainable goals and increase them as you go. Make it to ten days and you may be surprised s at the results !

I realized about a day ago that my relapses always came a day or two after I'd edged without orgasm, to test if the sensation was different. Nights are always the worst for me, so that's when my chances of relapsing are the greatest. I had no idea edging would have such an effect to be honest. Cold turkey seems to be the most successful way to hear from others. I'll stay posted on my progress.
Actually edging is even worse than a short session followed by orgasm. Edging bathes your brain in stimuli and dopamine for extended periods - this is what causes the problem: Desensitisation due to excessive stimulus and dopamine production.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
I've been lonely all of my adult life:

No Girlfriend
Never a best friend
No close friends
No social life
No meaningful relationship with family

I have spent most of my teenage years, 20s and now 30's doing most things alone - which includes mainly walking around the town center... and just walking. (for the sake of being around people)

I'm just so sick of it. This should have been the best time of my life, but no.... my youth have been well and truly ruined and I don't know how I will ever beat its huge psychological effects that are suffocating me everyday.

I simply hate my existence.
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

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DepressedAndOut said:
I've been lonely all of my adult life:

No Girlfriend
Never a best friend
No close friends
No social life
No meaningful relationship with family

I have spent most of my teenage years, 20s and now 30's doing most things alone - which includes mainly walking around the town center... and just walking. (for the sake of being around people)

I'm just so sick of it. This should have been the best time of my life, but no.... my youth have been well and truly ruined and I don't know how I will ever beat its huge psychological effects that are suffocating me everyday.

I simply hate my existence.

Consider me a friend then. I don't know if you believe in God, but I believe that He loves you, even if no one else does. I'm not pushing my beliefs on you, but I can say that a life-saver for me has been going to church, simply because I don't have many friends.  It has helped a lot of people, even those who don't believe in God. I have no idea where you live, but if you can find a Vineyard church, somewhere near you, I'd recommend going there. I've always been treated kindly there even if I don't know many people. (I'm not saying this is a guarantee, but if you are lonely then what do you have to lose?) But another thing I want to say is, just talk to people. Say anything to them, no matter if they think you're weird or ignore you. The truth is you are far from alone, and sometimes simply talking to a stranger on the street or at a bus-stop can make a huge difference in your life for that one day. Don't listen to people who say you're a loser for not having friends: you aren't. You aren't defined by what others say about you, only what you choose to make of your situation. Someone said this to me once and it changed my life: "Experience isn't what you've been through, it's how you CHOOSE TO ACT on what you've been through." Facebook, youtube, twitter and all these other smokescreens want to tell everyone that if they haven't had massive adventures in life, haven't travelled widely, haven't had sex, haven't had an eventful upbringing, haven't been in love, that our lives are meaningless. I refuse to believe that, and you should too, because it is the biggest lie of today. A man named Jeremiah, who had few to no friends at one point, is said to have written these words which have meant a lot to me: "Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, and whose trust is the Lord. For he will be like a tree planted by the water, that extends its roots by a stream and will not fear when the heat comes; but its leaves will be green, and it will not be anxious in a year of drought nor cease to yield fruit." It is from the Bible, the book of Jeremiah, chapter 17: 7-8. God bless you man. I will keep you in my prayers. If you ever want to just talk you can send me a message.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Thank you for your sentiment. I'm not religious, I used to be religious, but I certainly not going that path again.

Thank you for your words, though
 
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changemylife

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AlexthenotsoGreat said:
I'm a very lonely guy. Most of my friends have moved out of state or are married or have girlfriends and have no time for me. Most of my days I just sit around at home, read a book, watch a movie, study a little (when I have to). I have had the worst form of social phobia and at one point I almost had agoraphobia. I don't know any girls I call friends. Every time I get rejected by a girl I get to know and like I have a hard time moving forward. I'm a good-looking guy, which makes me think that the rejections are due to my shyness or lack of confidence around women. I relapsed yesterday, because I hate my life and just want to forget how empty it is. Nofap feels like a non-solution to me. Take my advice if you're in your twenties. Kick this demon out of your life before it ruins it. I'm in my 30's and live with my parents. If you're living with your parents in your 30's and it doesn't make you feel like a loser then you need a kick in the butt (are we allowed to use the word "ass" here?) right out the door. No one will save you from your own terrible habits. You need to do it. I don't know if I'll ever recover, but I want to see others do so. So that's all I wanted to say: don't complain if you're in your twenties and are struggling. The grass is always greener on the other side. Count yourself lucky that you've learned the nature of this monster we call porn. You can succeed. I wish you the best of luck.

I had to check the username twice to be sure it wasn't me writing this. It's the story of my life, except that I'm 28.
 

AlexthenotsoGreat

Active Member
I'm sure we're not the only ones around the 30 mark. On the plus side I am starting to see the most recovery I've ever had and I managed to find my own place. The point at which I wrote the post was the lowest I'd ever been and I think it really was a turning point for me personally. I know what you're going through though, it's tough and sometimes it can be a kick in the teeth to hear how successful your friends or acquaintances are. The only way I could begin to see change was to completely ignore what everyone expects of me. This might sound corny but these things are starting to make a difference for me: Be proud of your everyday victories. Don't take a single day that you're porn-free for granted. Take a free course, pick up a sport, start exercising, whatever it is. Accept that people will be douchebags, but that's their problem, not yours, and the second they're out of sight, as far as you're concerned, they don't exist. You can choose to fill your mind with thoughts of defeat, that no one could ever love you and that you're not a real man, or you can tell yourself you have qualities that many women would kill to find in a man. Trust me, these small tweaks can help. If you ever need some encouragement or pointers you can message me. Best of luck!
 
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