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Okay thanks for the heads up.

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obviously not enough. if you are trying to make sense, then how does PIED makes sense? having erection while watching pixels but not having erection with real hot girl?  ???  how it makes sense to keep PMOing even though you want to quit  ???? if you can make sense of that, you can make sense of escalation in taste to the point beyond your own example. you mentioned escalation to S&M but what happens when you dont get your dopamine hit anymore from that type of porn and you have desire stronger than ever to fill the gap with more novelty? whats beyond that? brain LITERALLY changes, if you looked at scan images its different looking than normal. when you change your brain you are not thinking or acting normally. you should listen or read about it more to understand it better.

you think of porn addiction only in terms of what you personally experienced which is not good when talk to HOCD people because you are suggesting they are deep inside gay but hiding it because its more cool to be straight (or some dumb idea like that). you clearly have not gone as deep as some other people. for every sexual encounter story that you see you can bet that there are 10x more of them out there but people are not going to open up about it because they feel too uncomfortable about it. imagine doing some homo stuff while being straight, how would you feel? would you share it?

ted bundy (famouse serial killer) said in his last interview, day before execution (he was on death row), that he was addicted to pornography and it made him rape and kill children because after some time porn can get you only so far. he also said that during the years in prison, every one of other serial killers that he had chance to hang out with was also deeply involved in pornography. this was during 1970s before high speed internet. i would not be surprised if there is any truth in that. there are always dumb people who read my posts so i feel the need to write one more sentence about this. using porn does not mean you will end up raping and killing people to satisfy your brain changed wicked urges, it does not mean you will try gay sex, it does not mean you will watch gay porn... if you drink and drive it does not mean you will have a car accident... i think that more often than not people dont have car accident when they drink and drive.

i also heard stories where people lost jobs and ruined their careers because they were caught watching child pornography.. if you continue heavy porn use, your taste will escalate and who knows what can turn you on next. its going to be more anxious, more fearful and morally wrong porn type that is for sure.
Nikola, I'm pretty sure I"m looking at this issue on a level way deeper than you are.

With regard to the first point, I think that PIED makes perfect sense, given the exhaustive account provided at yourbrianonporn. Plus, my own experience can verify it--even though both the YBOP explanation and my own interpretation of my situation could both be wrong. At any rate, the explanation seems perfectly logical to me (the best point that Gary Wilson makes is that guys used porn before the internet, but didn't end up with erectile dysfunction as a result).

The escalation phenomenon makes sense as well, since one tends to get bored with the same images over time (desensitization). But notice this: as the addict escalates to more extreme stuff, he is still experiencing desires with regard to his innate sexual preferences. If he's a straight man, he'll escalate too S&M involving women.

Now, you claim that that the addict can go from that to being aroused by porn that is directly contrary to his innate sexual preferences.  S&M porn, though obviously unpleasant and shocking, isn't directly contrary to one's innate sexual preferences, if it's straight at least. So, here's the question: how does one escalate to material that is contrary to one's innate sexual preference? You say it's through escalation, but I'm asking you how that works.

My opinion on the Ted Bundy interviews is that it's complete bullshit. First, the interviews were conducted by a religious nut job named James Dobson, who has a moral agenda against porn. Secondly, Bundy is that epitome of the liar. And, most imporantly, there isn't any evidence that porn use leads to violence.

Let's all ask ourselves the following question: if you are straight, can you imagine going and meeting another man and having sexual relations with him? I have to confess, I cannot even conceive of doing this type of thing.

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The last couple days I've read a little bit about this HOCD phenomenon. I'm pretty sure that BoBo129 doesn't have it, but he should definitely go see a therapist about it just to make sure.

HOCD is an obsessive compulsive disorder in which the person suffering from it has the nagging fear that they are really homosexual when they are not. This thought becomes an obsession, and is not based on actual fact.

Can porn use lead to HOCD? According to this psychologist, it can not:
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Clearly these young men [who think that their homosexual desires are the result of porn use] are concerned and anxious. But is this HOCD? The strongest reason why these are not forms of HOCD is that the sexual behavior comes first. Remember, in OCD, obsessions trigger a behavior to relieve the anxiety associated with the obsession. The obsession, the thought, starts the chain of anxiety. In the stories associated with HOCD online, attributing it to porn, the sexual behavior (watching porn and masturbating) precedes the anxious fear that the man might be gay, because they are becoming aroused by this experience or stimuli. Secondly, the sexual behavior of HOCD is not, in almost all cases, a pleasurable one. In fact, the lack of pleasure often provides the actual relief, assuring the individual that they are not in fact homosexual.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201703/hocd-clinical-disorder-vs-pseudoscience

If these observations are correct, the person suffering from HOCD wouldn't actively seek out an activity in which their worst fear could be confirmed, such as meeting up with a gay man for sex.

It seems to me, based on this, that the anxieties that male porn addicts who are aroused by gay porn are experiencing is due to their confusion over their own sexuality, coupled with the absurd social conventions that discourage homosexuality in most societies. The fact that homosexuality is looked down upon by illogical people in even developed countries creates an incentive for gay men to repress their innate desires. At any rate, this seems to not apply to those who are suffering from HOCD, who know that they aren't gay, but obsess about it anyway.

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Can porn use lead to HOCD? According to this psychologist, it can not:
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Clearly these young men [who think that their homosexual desires are the result of porn use] are concerned and anxious. But is this HOCD? The strongest reason why these are not forms of HOCD is that the sexual behavior comes first. Remember, in OCD, obsessions trigger a behavior to relieve the anxiety associated with the obsession. The obsession, the thought, starts the chain of anxiety. In the stories associated with HOCD online, attributing it to porn, the sexual behavior (watching porn and masturbating) precedes the anxious fear that the man might be gay, because they are becoming aroused by this experience or stimuli. Secondly, the sexual behavior of HOCD is not, in almost all cases, a pleasurable one. In fact, the lack of pleasure often provides the actual relief, assuring the individual that they are not in fact homosexual.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201703/hocd-clinical-disorder-vs-pseudoscience

and according to that exact same psychologist PORN IS NOT ADDICTIVE: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive   

so i told you to read more about it and gave you a link but instead you find a guy who is denying porn addiction and listen to him in order to find out more about symptoms of porn addiction? this pauses my mind.

as i said this is not something to agree or disagree. escalation in taste, porn induced sex fetishes and developing HOCD are known symptoms of porn addiction. you just got hurt for not knowing about it and now you are willing to listen or quote anyone who is reflecting your lack of knowledge just so you can save your face.

i could imagine the feeling of being confused about your sexuality due to heavy porn use. acting out and seeing for yourself that in fact your inner knowingness about your sexuality is true and all those porn induced fetishes and arousal are fake is even worse. you are here to help them (or yourself) or learn something new. its mind boggling i know but its a fact, there are people who even act out on their porn induced impulses and it sucks afterwards of course.

some people try same sex, some try tranny sex, some start using prostitutes, some start cheating, some get into  S&M, some get into children pornography, rarely but some go even further. yeah i know people do all those things without porn but lets not be stupid you know what i mean. lets not confuse no one no more, lets clear things up. yes this is all because of heavy porn use, you are not gay, you are not into anything you would not like to be into. your brain just morphed due to years of porn. your prefrontal cortex got fucked up and therefore will power and free will eroded so you basically lost control of your actions, you are just following impulses looking for the next hit. this is not natural you anymore. heroin users rob their parents and kill people for the next hit. yeah i know people rob parents and kill others without heroin but again lets not go there... this is also exactly why is so damn difficult to quit, because you basically lost control and quitting is taking over control.

so people stop using porn its bad for you.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 10:07:56 AM by Nikola Numez »
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Check this out guys. I realized that I wasn't gay or bi all along. Your support and my research led me to this website describing my homosexual thoughs and feelings of being gay or bi. The porn really got me twisted. Multiple people had tranny or gay sexual encounters theu regretted. They explain it on this website. If I haven't found this website I probably would of made my life worse. Check this out guys.

https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/homosexual-thoughts-as-a-result-of-years-of-porn-viewing-how-porn-twisted-me.8517/

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Can porn use lead to HOCD? According to this psychologist, it can not:
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Clearly these young men [who think that their homosexual desires are the result of porn use] are concerned and anxious. But is this HOCD? The strongest reason why these are not forms of HOCD is that the sexual behavior comes first. Remember, in OCD, obsessions trigger a behavior to relieve the anxiety associated with the obsession. The obsession, the thought, starts the chain of anxiety. In the stories associated with HOCD online, attributing it to porn, the sexual behavior (watching porn and masturbating) precedes the anxious fear that the man might be gay, because they are becoming aroused by this experience or stimuli. Secondly, the sexual behavior of HOCD is not, in almost all cases, a pleasurable one. In fact, the lack of pleasure often provides the actual relief, assuring the individual that they are not in fact homosexual.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201703/hocd-clinical-disorder-vs-pseudoscience

and according to that exact same psychologist PORN IS NOT ADDICTIVE: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive   

so i told you to read more about it and gave you a link but instead you find a guy who is denying porn addiction and listen to him in order to find out more about symptoms of porn addiction? this pauses my mind.

as i said this is not something to agree or disagree. escalation in taste, porn induced sex fetishes and developing HOCD are known symptoms of porn addiction. you just got hurt for not knowing about it and now you are willing to listen or quote anyone who is reflecting your lack of knowledge just so you can save your face.

i could imagine the feeling of being confused about your sexuality due to heavy porn use. acting out and seeing for yourself that in fact your inner knowingness about your sexuality is true and all those porn induced fetishes and arousal are fake is even worse. you are here to help them (or yourself) or learn something new. its mind boggling i know but its a fact, there are people who even act out on their porn induced impulses and it sucks afterwards of course.

some people try same sex, some try tranny sex, some start using prostitutes, some start cheating, some get into  S&M, some get into children pornography, rarely but some go even further. yeah i know people do all those things without porn but lets not be stupid you know what i mean. lets not confuse no one no more, lets clear things up. yes this is all because of heavy porn use, you are not gay, you are not into anything you would not like to be into. your brain just morphed due to years of porn. your prefrontal cortex got fucked up and therefore will power and free will eroded so you basically lost control of your actions, you are just following impulses looking for the next hit. this is not natural you anymore. heroin users rob their parents and kill people for the next hit. yeah i know people rob parents and kill others without heroin but again lets not go there... this is also exactly why is so damn difficult to quit, because you basically lost control and quitting is taking over control.

so people stop using porn its bad for you.
I'm pretty sure the majority of experts in psychology and psychiatry deny that porn addiction is a real phenomenon, but they tend to point to a special definition of addiction that precludes PMO. So, for all I know, that guy could be right--who knows? This HOCD phenomenon is different, though--and seems highly suspect for the precise reason that he referred to.

Someone with HOCD is afraid that they are attracted to men, but are not attracted to men. BoBo129 is attracted to men, and is not only masturbating to gay porn, but is meeting other men to have sex with them. Someone with HOCD would never do this and, even if by some twist of fate they did, they would not be aroused by the encounter (because they are not gay!)!!

I don't deny that the escalation phenomenon offered by internet porn can lead to more extreme content--but you haven't explained how it can lead to producing desires that are contrary to your innate sexual preference!

At the end of the day, we are talking about obsessive-compulsive disorder, which is a personality disorder. You cannot diagnose your personality disorder yourself based upon what some people on the internet say; you have to go meet with a qualified specialist and let them diagnose you.

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Check this out guys. I realized that I wasn't gay or bi all along. Your support and my research led me to this website describing my homosexual thoughs and feelings of being gay or bi. The porn really got me twisted. Multiple people had tranny or gay sexual encounters theu regretted. They explain it on this website. If I haven't found this website I probably would of made my life worse. Check this out guys.

https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/homosexual-thoughts-as-a-result-of-years-of-porn-viewing-how-porn-twisted-me.8517/
Dude, I wouldn't rely on what people on these forums have to say on this subject. These forums are quite good for certain types of issues relating to PMO addiction, but not this one. You need to go see a trained mental health expert and let him or her question you. This is an important aspect of your life, and you don't want to rely on people who aren't knowledgable in this subject.

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I forgot to include that day i was watching porn and my dumb ass thought a mouth was a mouth. I didnt care who I went with. I know Im not gay because it never crossed my mind about being gay for months until i got depressed and started to think about what I've done. I set up profiles to look for sex with women, tranny, lesbians couples, and gangbanging a girl. I had all types of impulses and only acted out sexually once because of it and it was only recieving a blow job but I never thought about being gay after it. Then it hit me months later when I was laying in bed. I had thoughts saying "Why the fuck did I have sex with a guy that means I'm gay." I know its normal to find other guys good looking but guys wont admit it because of the society and the insecurities. Some guys wish they can look like other guys. I've been straight my whole life and thats how I will always be.
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arousal does not equal sexual preference. you gave an example and talk about understanding escalating to more extreme stuff but contradict yourself in the very next sentence. so for example someone who escalated into S&M did not had that sexual preference before years of porn usage right? they even found it disgusting first time they saw it right? so they developed it after years of porn use and now they find it arousing. their brain changed, it needed more extreme more and out of the line stuff to keep the addiction going. why would they find it disgusting in the beginning if thats their preference? so there you go, you see it right there that sexual preference AFTER porn abuse is not real. porn induced arousal does not equal real sexual preference!

again, escalating to more extreme stuff (gay porn is pretty extreme for straight guys) does not equal your sexual preference. you watch porn and get into S&M (something you said you could understand), but when you stop that porn induced fetish disappears right? sooo how, after years of PMOing, finding gay porn arousing or being confused about it and developing HOCD makes you gay?

"Someone with HOCD is afraid that they are attracted to men, but are not attracted to men." but why they are afraid they are attracted though?? because they got aroused! they look at men and check out if they get an erection if they feel anything inside etc. and they freak out if they do because they dont like the thought of it! i suppose we established that porn induced arousal does not mean sexual preference. why would HOCD and desires to have sex with men disappear after stopping PMO?? how people manage to be disgusted by gay sex and now 10,000 hours of porn later they are watching it jerking to it, getting confused and some even try it to check out or find themselves in gay situation only to regret it?

they try lots of other things too. i tried some hc stuff with girl, i was pretty rough and tough at times. people act out on fantasized caused by porn all the time, this is just one example. besides gay porn and sex, there are lots of other things people escalated into and acted out. its the extreme stuff that release more dopamine so being straight and watching and contemplating some gay shit is pretty extreme and fulfills the need for more novelty pretty good (at least in the beginning and with bad consequences).

i listened gary wilson he mentioned how some escalate into watching animal porn and how it does not mean its their true fetish or preference! brains are different but majority of us escalate to something we dont really like. 



« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 12:49:46 PM by Nikola Numez »
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That's fine, I would just say that you probably don't have HOCD; in fact, I'm becoming convinced that PMO does not lead to such a condition. But I would for sure go talk to an expert, if I were you.

Having a personality disorder can be quite serious, and anybody would be a fool to try to diagnose based upon what people in message boards have to say (including myself). You need to talk to someone who has, preferably, years of experience in dealing with people in these matters.



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I don't deny that the escalation phenomenon offered by internet porn can lead to more extreme content--but you haven't explained how it can lead to producing desires that are contrary to your innate sexual preference!

I understand what Death Trap is saying. For the vast majority of people with porn issues, the escalation they experience is linear. It follows a path of sameness based on their orientation. The progression frequently will go something like this: vanilla > lesbian > fmf > gang > bdsm. Replace bdsm with femdom. Replace femdom with rape/abuse porn, and so on and so forth. The female focus is typically retained. This is not to say that there can't be one off experiences of something outside the linear progression for the sake of curiousity, but overwhelmingly, the focus will remain in 'what works' until 'what works' needs an upgrade to increase the brain buzz and get the desired response. The upgrade tends to stay along that linear path. It's not typical for rebooters to cite histories that reflect a progression of vanilla > lesbian > zoo > scat > child.

There are a lot of genres of porn one could delve into, but in speaking with literally hundreds of rebooters (love you guys, you know who you are!) over a two year span at ybr, no fap, and here at reboot nation, when asked the question, "Why not midget porn? Amputee porn? Clown porn? Obese?" They, to a man, say the same things, "Eww, no, that shit is gross." The ability to select, to choose, to retain a line of acceptable vs not acceptable for an individual seems to remain. And not only does it remain, it's commonly exercised.

Perhaps the questions asked to figure out this conundrum should be along the line of "why DIDN'T you escalate to child, to scat, to _______?" when asking the question "why did you escalate to _______?" seems to bring forth confusion.

Great discussion guys. I appreciate your views! You guys are amazing and breaking the ground for future knowledge and understanding of this issue. That knowledge and understanding will contribute to solving the porn plague far too many people are afflicted with. :)
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities --- Voltaire

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You guys are really awesome. My girlfriens just came to visit me right now and I just fell in love with her like I did when I first met her. I mean the porn has got me so numb I never focused on her anymore. I saw how beautiful her eyes were and how soft her skin was. I could feel the emotional connection. Death Trap I probably do have a personality disorder because I am diagnosed with ADHD and it does deal with intrusive thoughts and all types ocd. I know for sure I have ocd. Im thinking I have borderline personality disorder. I respect your opinion on me getting help but I know deep down inside i am not gay. I think porn took over my mind and made my disorders worse too in some way I can't explain which also gave me an addiction to it easily that led escalated extreme porn and one stupid sexual encounter.

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Nikola, we are talking past each other in one particular detail: by "innate sexual preference", I don't mean the type of stuff one is into (e.g. S&M, lesbians, pissing, etc.); I mean whether one is gay or straight (I probably should've said "sexual orientation").

When a straight man escalates to extreme porn like S&M, he is still aroused by the female being the center of the activity. In that sense, it is totally in line with his innate sexual orientation. What I find obscure about this whole phenomenon is the idea that the escalation can lead one to arousal that is in direct contradiction to their innate sexual orientation.

So, for another example, a man could escalate to child porn over time. But a straight man wouldn't become aroused by little boys, since that isn't in line with his sexual identity. A gay man in a similar situation, similarly, wouldn't escalate to being into little girls. Also, with bestiality porn, I would assume that straight men are into types that feature women.

From what I"ve been able to gather, men with HOCD are not attracted to other men, and don't experience arousal from contact with them--but they are irrationally afraid of both of those thigns. So, the fear that they might be homosexual is not based in reality. They are straight men who are afraid or anxious that they might be gay.

I do agree with you that arousal doesn't necessarily equal sexual preference (in the sense of the type of shit you're into), but it does equal sexual preference in terms of whether one is heterosexual or homosexual.


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I have also seen scat too. I seen all types of bizzare videos including rape fantasies.

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I think porn took over my mind and made my disorders worse too in some way I can't explain

Good point, BoBo. Preexisting conditions having impact.

I'm glad you're starting to feel better. :)
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You guys are really awesome. My girlfriens just came to visit me right now and I just fell in love with her like I did when I first met her. I mean the porn has got me so numb I never focused on her anymore. I saw how beautiful her eyes were and how soft her skin was. I could feel the emotional connection. Death Trap I probably do have a personality disorder because I am diagnosed with ADHD and it does deal with intrusive thoughts and all types ocd. I know for sure I have ocd. Im thinking I have borderline personality disorder. I respect your opinion on me getting help but I know deep down inside i am not gay. I think porn took over my mind and made my disorders worse too in some way I can't explain which also gave me an addiction to it easily that led escalated extreme porn and one stupid sexual encounter.
But also, and most importantly, stop beating yourself up about it.

@Loleekins: This has also been my observation when looking at case histories on these types of sites. On one level, I do see that Nikola is right that escalation tends to proceed (initially) through that feeling of shock one gets in seeing something new (I would imagine that everyone feels really weird the first time they see "midget" porn). What baffles me is the idea that one can escalate to being aroused by something that isn't in line with one's sexual preference. Presumably, if I were able to get into "midget" porn, I would escalate to female little people since I'm straight. It would be shocking to see two male little people having sex, but I don't see how I could be aroused by such a scene.


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I did reasearch on how people with adhd have low self control and impulse control. They can easily pick up addictions. I slowly escalated into a lot of porn tastes. I mean not every guy who had encounter gay sex due to lorn addiction or other things is not gay. I only recieved a blow job due to a dumb ass fantasy of mine because of porn.

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Presumably, if I were able to get into "midget" porn, I would escalate to female little people since I'm straight. It would be shocking to see two male little people having sex, but I don't see how I could be aroused by such a scene.

Yes, that would fall in line with the majority I've read and spoken to as well.

I mention aversion in my previous post to genres of taste preference to illustrate that though there may be a raging porn problem, the individual seems to retain control to a large degree over where escalation takes them. If they did not, we'd have forums across the net of guys all addicted to amputee porn, while it seems by representation, amputee porn is seldom escalated to when compared with the statistics of all the other genres. There seems to be a thread of personal acceptability that runs through it all. Does it stand to reason that the aversion to certain genres would not transfer as well to orientation boundry crossing? It's a question I don't really see tackled by the psych pros or the addiction sufferers.
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Have you ever heard of a mouth is a mouth or a hole is a hole? I know I will never put my dick in another man's asshole lol thats just the most nastiest shit ever.

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Sex addiction is progressive
Untreated sex addicts tend to act out more frequently and to seek out new and more exciting sexual activities.  As with all addictions it takes more of the drug or a stronger drug to keep the high going.  Sex addicts who started out with internet porn and strip clubs may progress to sexual massage parlors and prostitutes.  Sometimes the addict will escalate into risky or illicit behaviors like boundary violations with adults or children or voyeurism.
In the search for a new and different high, I have seen many sex addicts who have had experiences with same sex partners.  This is not to say that they are covertly gay, but in this case it is only that they are looking for the next edgy thing.
Denial can dissolve normal restrains
Sex addiction depends on a sort of delusional state in which boundaries around what is unacceptable behavior become weaker.  Denial allows addicts to let go their inner compass.  And denial too is progressive and spreads to other areas of life.  Secrecy and lack of integrity become the norm.  As the denial and addiction take over the addict more and more ignores the consequences of his behavior regardless of whether he is gay or straight.  He may exploit others or allow himself to be in situations which for him are abnormal.  In other words he may lose the sense of control over his life and be less able to self activate.
Porn as the great accelerator
Internet pornography is so varied and intense it its content that it can present the addict with new and highly charged stimuli which trigger a forgotten experience or trauma from childhood.  If the scenario involves gay sex and if the addict acts on it then it can look like a gay-straight issue when in fact it is unconscious imprinting that does not relate to the addicts underlying sexual orientation.

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I don't deny that the escalation phenomenon offered by internet porn can lead to more extreme content--but you haven't explained how it can lead to producing desires that are contrary to your innate sexual preference!

I understand what Death Trap is saying. For the vast majority of people with porn issues, the escalation they experience is linear. It follows a path of sameness based on their orientation. The progression frequently will go something like this: vanilla > lesbian > fmf > gang > bdsm. Replace bdsm with femdom. Replace femdom with rape/abuse porn, and so on and so forth. The female focus is typically retained. This is not to say that there can't be one off experiences of something outside the linear progression for the sake of curiousity, but overwhelmingly, the focus will remain in 'what works' until 'what works' needs an upgrade to increase the brain buzz and get the desired response. The upgrade tends to stay along that linear path. It's not typical for rebooters to cite histories that reflect a progression of vanilla > lesbian > zoo > scat > child.

There are a lot of genres of porn one could delve into, but in speaking with literally hundreds of rebooters (love you guys, you know who you are!) over a two year span at ybr, no fap, and here at reboot nation, when asked the question, "Why not midget porn? Amputee porn? Clown porn? Obese?" They, to a man, say the same things, "Eww, no, that shit is gross." The ability to select, to choose, to retain a line of acceptable vs not acceptable for an individual seems to remain. And not only does it remain, it's commonly exercised.

Trans porn is very common, nothing natural about that. I got into gay porn as a teenager while addicted, didn't bother me just "accepted I was bi" then after quitting porn realized I was never bi. Addicts don't get into child porn because A) It's illegal and can't be found on tube sites and B) they have a moral inhibition against it.

Also (this is getting pretty TMI but you brought it on) there IS midget porn and obese porn...also zoophillia (girls and animals) is very common...DESPITE being illegal. For the record, I got into gay porn, anal, tentacle porn... etc. lots of weird unnatural shit, but never got into BDSM/femdom, so there's nothing 'natural' about porn tastes...hence why porn fetishes go away soon after quitting.

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Nikola, I'm pretty sure I"m looking at this issue on a level way deeper than you are.
Actually everything Nikola is saying is straight forward and sensible. No offense but you're just engaging in intellectual obfuscation. Please explain how transexual porn is an evolution of one's 'innate sexual preferences'.
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i dont have any personal experience on this subject. however from what ive read about pn addiction. it can push people to do things they never would have ever considered doing, before they became an addict. for instance going to adult establishment, picking up a prostitute, and even being with someone of the same gender

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i dont have any personal experience on this subject. however from what ive read about pn addiction. it can push people to do things they never would have ever considered doing, before they became an addict. for instance going to adult establishment, picking up a prostitute, and even being with someone of the same gender
yeah i cant believe there is discussion whether or not porn can be responsible for this. there was discussion recently if porn is addicting at all, whats next? PIED is not real?

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do you agree that more extreme stuff releases more dopamine? can you look at things from that perspective, with porn addiction its not about sexual orientation or preference its about creating more anxiety and watching, or when having sex, doing more extreme stuff to keep the engine going. its simple as that, what you do does not matter. its different for everyone. bsdm, sm, femdom, lesbians and other genres loleekes mentioned never interested me but for example cheating videos turn my brain upside down and release every dopamine there is. so you need to get yourself out of the picture when you think about this because there are lots of different examples. i dont think majority of addicts find gay or cheating porn arousing. this is just one example we are not talking about majority or general escalation in porn. when you enter porn addiction, you enter the world of chasing dopamine hit through artficially arousing yourself, you become desensitized to normal arousal and whats beyond normal has nothing to do with your natural orientation or preference.

i just know that people who are afraid of being gay just somehow stop fearing it after they stop using porn. that is intriguing, i read hundreds of stories like that. also they never got aroused by gay porn or males before, they even find it disgusting at first. hmm... shit loads of stories like that. all they have one common trait and that is porn addiction and when they stop their fears and arousal to males fades away. quite interesting for someone who is naturally gay.
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Thanks for not making me confused about being gay or bi. I knew if I was born straight I would always be straight. This porn really messed up my mind. I failed not fapping today. What can I do to keep my mind off of fapping so I can lose this intrusive gay thoughts and attraction? It decreased but I still feel anxiety.