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Gary Wilson
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Dr. de Jong,
RE: https://wcu.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_8jnilpePcTAv6Ml
I have deep reservations about your questionnaire, which was also posted on reddit/pornfree, and perhaps other porn-recovery forums. The first problem is that all the questions about porn use assume the person is currently using porn:
For example, many of Reboot Nation's members will score very low on "current levels of porn use," yet almost all will score very high on the CPUI-9 (which is below). This will be the same for many on porn-recovery forums.
If you use data taken from porn-recovery forums, your study will predictably "reveal" that those trying to quit only "believe they have a porn problem, but they really don't." Why is that? Because the subjects who use very little porn (on average) will score very high on the Grubbs CPUI-9 (on average - because many are recovering addicts). Simple: Low porn use will correlate with high "perceived addiction," permitting distorted results and misleading headlines - as the CPUI-9 typically does.
Such findings will likely be "spun" as, "People struggling with porn addiction only believe they are addicted, but they really aren't - because, golly, look at my results. They hardly ever use porn. How can you be addicted to porn if you hardly ever use it... right?" As guys here are recovering compulsive users, however, "low use" data will entirely misrepresent their circumstances.
Why will it be spun as "belief in porn addiction" or "perceived porn addiction"? Because Josh Grubbs renamed his CPUI-9 "perceived addiction." Whenever any study uses the phrase "perceived addiction" it really means nothing more than the total score on the CPUI-9 questionnaire. That's it. But the CPUI-9 cannot differentiate between an actual porn addiction and a mere belief in porn addiction ("perceived addiction"). No questionnaire can. And writing such conclusions and related headlines merely adds to the murk of sexology porn research.
I have written extensively about the flaws of the CPUI-9 and how the results from studies using it have been deceptively used to "debunk porn addiction." Two such articles:
- Is Joshua Grubbs pulling the wool over our eyes with his "perceived porn addiction" research?
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/built-false-premise-grubbs-does-not-assess-perceived-addiction
- Study invalidates the CPUI-9 as an instrument to assess either ?perceived pornography addiction? or actual pornography addiction https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/study-invalidates-cpui-9-instrument-assess-either-%E2%80%9Cperceived-pornography-addiction%E2%80%9D-or-actual
CPUI-9
Perceived Compulsivity Section
1) I believe I am addicted to Internet pornography.
2) I feel unable to stop my use of online pornography.
3) Even when I do not want to view pornography online, I feel drawn to it
Access Efforts Section
4) At times, I try to arrange my schedule so that I will be able to be alone in order to view pornography.
5) I have refused to go out with friends or attend certain social functions to have the opportunity to view pornography.
6) I have put off important priorities to view pornography.
Emotional Distress Section
7) I feel ashamed after viewing pornography online.
8- I feel depressed after viewing pornography online.
9) I feel sick after viewing pornography online.
Dr. de Jong - I strongly urge you to discard all data collected of porn recovery forums.
In my view you would have to do a few thing to achieve valid results:
1) All individuals who are trying to quit must be omitted from the data pool. That may mean using some other sampling technique of current users.
2) Omit the CPUI-9, or only use questions 4-6, as all the CPUI-9 studies reveal that questions 4-6 are very strongly correlated with levels of porn use, thus more accurately assess actual porn addiction/compulsive use.
Note: even Grubbs's new study strongly hinted that the CPUI-9 leads to skewed results. See - https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/religious-users-use-less-porn-and-are-no-more-likely-believe-they-are-addicted
RE: https://wcu.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_8jnilpePcTAv6Ml
I have deep reservations about your questionnaire, which was also posted on reddit/pornfree, and perhaps other porn-recovery forums. The first problem is that all the questions about porn use assume the person is currently using porn:
Asking about current use is completely inappropriate for a porn-recovery forum where many have stopped using or have drastically reduced their their porn use. The correlations between "levels of porn use" and any of your other questions or the CPUI-9 (which you used for some of your questions) must be considered invalid.
For example, many of Reboot Nation's members will score very low on "current levels of porn use," yet almost all will score very high on the CPUI-9 (which is below). This will be the same for many on porn-recovery forums.
If you use data taken from porn-recovery forums, your study will predictably "reveal" that those trying to quit only "believe they have a porn problem, but they really don't." Why is that? Because the subjects who use very little porn (on average) will score very high on the Grubbs CPUI-9 (on average - because many are recovering addicts). Simple: Low porn use will correlate with high "perceived addiction," permitting distorted results and misleading headlines - as the CPUI-9 typically does.
Such findings will likely be "spun" as, "People struggling with porn addiction only believe they are addicted, but they really aren't - because, golly, look at my results. They hardly ever use porn. How can you be addicted to porn if you hardly ever use it... right?" As guys here are recovering compulsive users, however, "low use" data will entirely misrepresent their circumstances.
Why will it be spun as "belief in porn addiction" or "perceived porn addiction"? Because Josh Grubbs renamed his CPUI-9 "perceived addiction." Whenever any study uses the phrase "perceived addiction" it really means nothing more than the total score on the CPUI-9 questionnaire. That's it. But the CPUI-9 cannot differentiate between an actual porn addiction and a mere belief in porn addiction ("perceived addiction"). No questionnaire can. And writing such conclusions and related headlines merely adds to the murk of sexology porn research.
I have written extensively about the flaws of the CPUI-9 and how the results from studies using it have been deceptively used to "debunk porn addiction." Two such articles:
- Is Joshua Grubbs pulling the wool over our eyes with his "perceived porn addiction" research?
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/built-false-premise-grubbs-does-not-assess-perceived-addiction
- Study invalidates the CPUI-9 as an instrument to assess either ?perceived pornography addiction? or actual pornography addiction https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/study-invalidates-cpui-9-instrument-assess-either-%E2%80%9Cperceived-pornography-addiction%E2%80%9D-or-actual
CPUI-9
Perceived Compulsivity Section
1) I believe I am addicted to Internet pornography.
2) I feel unable to stop my use of online pornography.
3) Even when I do not want to view pornography online, I feel drawn to it
Access Efforts Section
4) At times, I try to arrange my schedule so that I will be able to be alone in order to view pornography.
5) I have refused to go out with friends or attend certain social functions to have the opportunity to view pornography.
6) I have put off important priorities to view pornography.
Emotional Distress Section
7) I feel ashamed after viewing pornography online.
8- I feel depressed after viewing pornography online.
9) I feel sick after viewing pornography online.
Dr. de Jong - I strongly urge you to discard all data collected of porn recovery forums.
In my view you would have to do a few thing to achieve valid results:
1) All individuals who are trying to quit must be omitted from the data pool. That may mean using some other sampling technique of current users.
2) Omit the CPUI-9, or only use questions 4-6, as all the CPUI-9 studies reveal that questions 4-6 are very strongly correlated with levels of porn use, thus more accurately assess actual porn addiction/compulsive use.
Note: even Grubbs's new study strongly hinted that the CPUI-9 leads to skewed results. See - https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/religious-users-use-less-porn-and-are-no-more-likely-believe-they-are-addicted
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HumbleRich
Guest
Nope, Gary is right. Science teacher here. The hypothesis and methodology made absolutely no sense, just as Gary stated.
Gary Wilson
Active Member
If my concerns are irrelevant, then you must be saying that your study will NOT correlate current levels of porn use with any other variable.ddejong said:
Again, my primary concern: that correlating any variable (i.e. scores on CPUI-9) with current levels of porn use in populations abstaining from porn will lead to very distorted results. As stated, the porn-recovery subjects will tend to score very high on the CPUI-9 and negative effects, yet score very low on current levels of porn use.
I'll ask again: Will your study be correlating current levels of porn use (as outlined by your 3 questions) with any other variable or score on a question? Your post seems to say that you are:
If you are correlating current levels of porn use with other variables then everything I said stands. If you are not, please do correct my understanding.
As stated, others who have posted questionnaires on porn recovery sites have made this same methodological error. When informed they adjusted their questions to ascertain levels of porn use prior to attempting to quit.
I am very concerned about the possibility of skewed results and conclusions from your study.