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That article mixes up two studies. But it gets the main point across.

The first study, linked to in the article, just tried to manipulate male rats to enjoy the company of a (sexually experienced) male through using a dopamine agonist to condition a preference. Normally males don't like to hang out together.

It worked...on males. Female rats couldn't be conditioned to do this (demonstrate socio-sexual preference with a same sex rat).

Also, interestingly, the conditioning in the males was gone 45 days later. In other words, without reinforcement, it faded. It was more like a porn fetish than an actual sexual orientation.

"Same-sex cohabitation under the effects of quinpirole induces a conditioned socio-sexual partner preference in males, but not in female rats"

The second, more recent study, which is described in the article, but not linked to, is one where the conditioned males were then offered the option of a receptive female and preferred the male.

"Conditioned same-sex partner preference in male rats is facilitated by oxytocin and dopamine: Effect on sexually dimorphic brain nuclei"

The takeaway is that male sexuality is highly conditionable, and there are probably good evolutionary reasons for this. But those reasons assume a very different sexual environment than the endless novelty of internet porn. Now, such "easy conditionability" becomes a liability for some males, who end up hooked on screens, fetishes and watching others have sex - instead of real partners.

Fortunately, brains are plastic, and can be retrained.

Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction/Delayed Ejaculation / Re: Not good
« on: April 05, 2015, 06:49:08 PM »
Sometimes improvement isn't linear. That is, after you quit, your libido may be up and down for a bit before you're fully healed. That's temporary, and a natural part of the healing. Also, don't try to force your performance with your GF. Give her this:

Success Stories / Re: ED and virgin to successful sex
« on: March 19, 2015, 10:51:06 AM »
It's great to hear of your progress and recovery.

With respect to the science, skepticism is healthy, but dismissing something without any evidence just because you think it makes you sound "intelligent" is actually cowardly. Maybe you'll soon grow a pair of balls to go with that magnificent new dick.  ;)

Never too soon to rewire. This article might be useful:

Ages 40 and up / Re: Day 8
« on: February 20, 2015, 01:46:52 AM »
For your listening pleasure, gents...

Ages 40 and up / Re: Day 8
« on: February 19, 2015, 06:57:41 PM »
I asked Gary and he said, "Here's what I would tell a gay guy: Stop porn and rewire to real people." When I read the articles and rebooting accounts, and listened to the videos, on YBOP I saw mention of people from every sexual persuasion. Check out the rebooting accounts. As far as I know, neither Gabe nor Gary believes being gay is any different from being straight when it comes to porn recovery. And since neither is gay, would you really want them opining on your situation in more depth? I wouldn't if I were gay. In fact, if gays were singled out, I would feel discriminated against.

"We are in the midst of a revolution in sexual and romantic tastes unlike any other in history, a social experiment being performed on children and teenagers." Psychiatrist and author Norman Doidge

"What clinicians don’t know much about, yet, is how we shall help teenagers, whose sexual tastes are being influenced by porn, because this level of porn exposure is quite new. Will these influences and tastes turn out to be superficial? Or will the new porn scenarios deeply embed themselves because the teen years are still a formative period?"

"We can hope, as teens discuss this more openly, as that boy did, that they will take action. Today, there are a number of websites springing up for teenagers and young men, who report that going cold turkey seems to be working for them. Not all addictions are of the same magnitude; and some seem reversible. It’s a use-it-or-lose-it brain, even where sexual desire and love are concerned. This means that decisions these boys make shape not only the actions they take, at a given time, but the shape and structure of their brains, over the long haul. That realisation, alone, may be enough to cause them to spend more time thinking about what is the wisest course to take."

Thank you for posting this. You have nothing to be embarrassed about. I'm sure many other men are making similar choices.

I'm sorry for what you've been through. We've seen posts by others on various forums who admitted they strongly considered the same, or other, surgical procedures...only to discover that their issue was primarily chronic overconsumption of internet porn. Hopefully, thanks to the courage of guys like you, word will soon get out and the medical profession will always screen for that factor before recommending surgery.

Don't be discouraged. You're already seeing signs of life. Have you watched Gabe's video? It actually took him over a year before he felt everything was back to full sensitivity. Stay optimistic. Affectionate skin-to-skin contact with your GF can be very helpful. She might like this article:

Wishing you a complete recovery.

So glad to hear of your progress.

For other readers, this is a good article about bonding behaviors:

And this article has lots of men's self reports about relationship improvements after giving up porn:

No, but you might find you make faster progress by staying off of your computer as much as possible. The goal is to discover real life and real people.

Porn Addiction / Re: Success log
« on: August 25, 2014, 01:00:00 PM »
Have you watched this video? Do you understand how brain plasticity works? It is not at all unusual for a guy to see very little progress at first.

Do you have some reason to think you would be different, or is it just that you need more encouragement? :-) If the latter, hundreds of inspiring comments are here (just keep refreshing the page):

Women / Re: How we think its us
« on: August 23, 2014, 12:03:02 PM »

Partners of Rebooters and Addicts / Re: a question of trust
« on: August 23, 2014, 12:00:27 PM »
Your instincts may be right. But it also helps to learn about the power of bonding behaviors, because they can help put things right:

You two may want to play around with this idea for a while too. Sometimes desire drops off for a while during recovery.

Good luck.

Yeah, it's tough. Can you enlist your girlfriend's help?

Do you know about the chaser?

Ups and downs are normal in the rebooting process. But maybe your body's trying to tell you to spend some quality time with a real partner.

Did you see this video?

By the way, your morning wood is a healthy sign but it doesn't determine whether you can have successful sex. Many guys with no morning wood do fine in the sack.

Porn Addiction / Re: Does this happen after a wet dream??
« on: August 23, 2014, 11:53:41 AM »
Guys generally don't count wet dreams as relapses. Just keep going. For more on Wet Dreams:

Ages 40 and up / Re: 42 Years old & 7 Days Behind Me
« on: August 22, 2014, 09:44:42 PM »
Congrats on your 7 days. That's a good start.

Testing just sets you back. Wait until your libido arises normally. If you need more info:

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